Rey Solo

Yeah this is sort of what I'm getting at. Her getting involved on Jakku seemed to just spark so much more than just being hunted. Its not just that her being involved moves the story along. Everyone's path changes once shes involved.

 

It's like they knew of a chosen one that, but had no idea who they would be until the saber chose, and everything is on Jaaku. Lor San Tekka who knew Ben and Leia. Poe with the map. The Falcon that was stolen so many times, it ended up there finally because of Plutt, who Rey was placed in the care of by her parents. It's the place Finn crashed on and met Rey. It's always Jakku!

 

I would say forgivenessis a theme as is betrayal. Good and evil. The aquistion of and maintenance of power.

Now I understand. I thought he clarified that the never met prior in the film.

I understand and difference of opinion is fine with me. To clarfy my meaning though. Its not that I think Rey is weak. I mean she gets the best of Kylo in the scene.

But the context in which the scene unfolds is one where she is bound, he behaves menacingly (imo) toward her, tells her he can take what he wants. The introduction of sexual chemistry or romance to that situation turns in very dark in Kylo's motive. Now Rey gets the upper hand. So he is thwarted but I agrree with JJ its unsettling.

This is before you add the layer of her interest in him romantically. That is a whole different story which has different baggage that I hope that they avoid.

 

I'm not attacking lol. I was arguing against the idea that the Rey and Kylo interactions are so obviously romantic/sexual, when I'm 100% certain that was not creator intent nor is it something the vast majority of SW fandom interpreted (the shippers are loud and vocal but they make up a tiny fragment of the greater audience). And I'll add I pretty much speak from experience. I'm not into shipping in the SW fandom (at least not for the ST) but I have done plenty of it in other fandoms, and been guilty of desperately wishing for a couple to be canon and reaching for the stars and convincing myself there's evidence where there's actually nothing. I know all the signs and I know when fandom is fighting a losing battle. And RJ has helpfully confirmed things in this case.

 

Except I'm not a shipper though I joke around with Reylo shippers and other shippers too, so it's not just shippers that see this stuff.

 

Aquisition and mainainance of power....is sooooo unimportant to women. Thank god for Kathleen Kennedy I say. But who knows what will be in the end. Lets meet all hereand have the winner pay the round
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Did he? If so then you have nothing to wirry about

Two things:
1. The viewer adds the sex element into it. Not Kylo. Thats why he doesnt touch her during that whole exchange. Except her mind...her...lonelyness. That drew him in.

2. She kicks his ass.

I dunno about you but im okay with the forplay wibe of the scene i think that is put in our heads intentionally and i take it as another proof of nonfamiliality between the two charachters. If it was left like that despite it then that would be weird...imo

 

If you are interpreting it that way and trying to ~read between the lines~ of what's textually shown in the film, and want it to happen, then you are a shipper.

 

All I saw was a guy who is crushing on a girl and they formed a deep bond by accident. Same as Finn. He was crushing on Rey. That's fact.

 

Or, since we have quotes from JJ about how amazing/horrifying he found the Darth Vader and Leia torture scene, something he brought up during the TFA press tour several times, perhaps the idea of someone torturing a close relative without knowing that they're family is the dramatic irony he was going for? Because JJ is also on record of loving how ANH had obliviously related characters interacting in a way that ended up heightening the drama of reveals in ESB and enriches/changes how people rewatched ANH.
And because of ingrained heteronormativity people assign sexual undertones to the scene that they wouldn't have done say, if the scene had instead involved two men or two women, or a much older woman with a younger man, or vice versa?
Nevermind that in the minds of the film's creators, the scene is very much intended as a torture scene, and the notion that a romance for Disney's beloved pure-hearted heroine is being born out of a torture scene is quite the reach, to say the least.

 

Then my bad and I appologize. I just cringe so bad when i notice people start putinng other people in boxes that i inadvertently do the same. In retrospect the choice of my nick was missleading but i really like the word play in it. Never shipped a thing in my life and am not very reylo at the moment but to say that there is no base for that romance is a bit clouded in my opinion. Just because it says reylo right there in my name doesnt mean i ship it. Maybe it means ReysoLo. Or maybe i do. Subconsciously. Lol. But Ill tell you a secret: Grey is what should jump out to people.
Boy...this was deep.

And how this connects to Rey Solo is...i dunno..anyone has ideas?

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What torture exactly? Mind reading? You think she is crying cuz she is in physical pain?
Btw...i dont think this is the right thread for this topic. You want to continue in reylo thread?

 

Finn's feelings for Rey (and her feelings for him) are actually canon and acknowledged in text. Kylo's "crush" is not text. The kindest thing that you can say is canon about Kylo's opinion on Rey is that there is a connection of some kind, and he wanted to train her not kill her (and what's also canon is Rey has no friendly feelings to him whatsoever).

JJ literally used the word torture when describing the scene. That was the intent of the director/writer. (I don't think it can really be argued that Rey isn't in physical pain too? We see him doing that to her twice and she's flinching and wincing and crying both times and we have the benefit of the novel saying it is indeed causing her a great deal of pain. It is torture.)

And I'm ok here lol - I don't want to get in depth in Reylo more than I have to because the debate started over how Rey Solo is totally impossible because shippers think the Rey and Kylo dynamic is sexual and intended to be that way, and the same people derail these threads with "LOOK HOW SEXUAL THAT IS YOU IDIOTS" gifs when it's... not.

 

@IrisBest if you take his scenes with Rey and only see black and not white, then you'll never see the gray the lies between.

 

I will not tell you what I thought of the world as a teen lol those are dark times that are too off topic.

 

Oki...thnx for that pov that was so very friendly and unboxy of you.

Point me to that gif please i wanna see it. Explore my darkside if you will.

Besides many nonreyloers see sexual connotations in rey/kylo interactions. Its the base of their 'creepy' and 'rapey' arguments against the romance. I just find it funny that JJ and no one in the production noticed the same. Cuz Im sure they would have corrected it...in the reshoots...and stuffs.
But hey...who knows what will be. Im looking forward to find out

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We can have a grpup pm entitled 'dark teenage pasts of dark siders and generally horrific people that are strangely into ships' where we can exchange our teenage experiences if anyone is interested?

 

They had a little triangle thing happening with a clueless Rey lol but the bond between her and Kylo is what's actually deeper. Not anything romantic. What Kylo feels for Rey is clouding him though and Snoke senses it. I think in the book his words even hint that he was going to harm her to teach Kylo a lesson in the Dark side.

 

How anyone could read that scene as anything other than unpleasant feelings by Rey and unpleasant intentions by Kylo is...........bizarre and very troubling for that person's interpretation of human emotions. Nevertheless, everything contained in the novel and in director commentary is clear that there's no good feelings between them. Kylo by the end may want her as an apprentice, but that is purely self serving in his quest for power at this point in the story. Could it change? Sure! But right now.....no. Just...no.