Rey Solo

Kylo has "unconditional love" for Rey according to the canon novelization of TFA.

The "compassion line" was in the shooting script:

 

@Niamor Ren was thinking like a Jedi when he met Rey. More signs leading to his redemption it seems, but I doubt it's because he think she's his sister.

 

"Kylo has "unconditional love" for Rey according to the canon novelization of TFA."

Lol this is what I mean by reaching for the stars. Like, guys, please, some perspective.

 

Feeling compassionate is not equal to sexual attraction. He actually feels for Rey after he saw inside her mind. That was partly because he said he didn't want to hurt her when he probed her thoughts. Snoke knew that. By having any kind of good feelings for Rey, he is going against his training, so Snoke said he needed to remember how the Dark side works and ordered him to bring Rey to him.

 

Nobody is arguing that he had the inability to TRULY hurt/kill her. Mercy. Sympathy. Empathy. Of course these were present. That's why the killing of his father hit so hard, signaled a true "turn" to the dark side. Which is why the turn back to the light, if it happens, will be so compelling. So yes, compassion. Attraction? No. Nothing in canon says that. Did he still hurt her/torture her to get what he wants? Yes. He still had bad feelings and ill will towards her, but he simultaneously felt compassion/sympathy. Thus is the complexity of Kylo Ren. The very intention of the filmmaker and story tellers.

 

That's why I hope we see him redeemed. His fight against the light is something unusual and could make him one of the better SW characters written.

 

ReyLo is the only potential interesting thing that could happen with these new characters. TFA lacked the humanity of the OT, especially when it came to the desires of the leads. The love triangle between Luke, Han and Leia was important in ANH and it made the characters real. Of course Luke was a horny teenager who would naturally be attracted to Leia. Of course a cocky fly boy like Han would fancy his chances and go after the princess. And of course Leia would be attracted to both the golden boy and the scoundrel. Likewise, of course Ren has the hots for Rey!

In TFA there was barely a hint. Finn got friend zoned and the chemistry between the two never got above freezing in the romance department. The only suggestion of passion was in how Ren looked at Rey and in how she struggled with what she felt for him when she got in his mind. Going forward that relationship would provide the most humanity in TLJ. It would display real passion, guilt, lust, compassion, anger, greed, desire etc.

Perhaps I've read too much Twilight?

(Being a man in my 30's I've definitely read too much Twilight).

 

Reylo would be the opposite of Anakin/Padme, just like Ben/Kylo Ren is the opposite of Anakin/Darth Vader in the PT.

 

1- I completely agree. I don't think Reylo is happening.

2- She wins he is unsuccessful but if as you say people read sex into the scene then there is as JJ says something unsettling about it. He failed to succeed at completely psychologically brutalizing her. Those who see them as a romantic connection ignore that unsettling and suggest a mutual attraction. Which I don't see. If it was a pure physical torture and she beat the crap out of him people wouldn't find it romantic.

 

1. We'll see...i dont know.

2. Different people read different things into it. For most i would say is just the projection of their own desires. I dont see unsetling rapey wibes. I see she is unsetled because she cant hide who she is infront of him. Now...i work under assumption they are not related. If they turn out to be...then i will have problems with that scene. That simple.

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Dont read twilight man!!! Its bad for ya! Repent repent!

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I will pose a question. You can answer honestly or not. Would this be a problem to you if Rey was not a woman?

 

Hmmm. I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Clarify? As a father to a young daughter, I will say that I am very happy Rey is a woman, and I am very happy she is portrayed as a strong woman. Aside from that I am not sure what you're asking. None of it seems like a problem to me. I was just analyzing what I saw in the scene. I think I would have read it the same way if it was two men, two women, if Rey was a man and Kylo was a woman, or if it was two asexual aliens. (Shrug)

But maybe I'm not understanding. If you could clarify, I'd be more than happy to answer!

 

I was sleeping

I was asking if the interrigation scene would be unsetling the same way if she was not a cute childlike innocent girl/woman that reminds you of your daughter?
For example no one is unsetled on this level with what he did to Poe. With Rey Ren is not at all violent like with Poe but this scene is controversial because he has a woman strapped down in that chair?

I am mo mother too. Of a young girl as well. And i do get that protective instincts. But I guess...being a woman...i more see rey as myself than as my daughter. And when i think of Rey i think of her as an adult....capable one. Who had to rummage through the circumstances of Jakku all on her own. A hard life that made her tough and mentally strong. An adult that doesnt need saving from anyone. She saves herself. If i have faith in anything its in that. And thats why i am not threatened by that scene.
The scene would, however, be unsetling for me if i thought Rey and Ren are brother and sister or cousins. And yes the fact that i believe jj plays with sexual connotations during that scene (i see it too) is my argument as to Rey not being a Solo. I think that if they knew for definite if she is a Solo at the point when they made that scene they would reshoot it and made it without the posibility of sexual interpretation of it.

I acknowledge that different people see diffeent things during interrogation and i am interrested in exchanging views on it not for the sake of fight but for the sake of understaning how we can interpret same things presented on screen in such different matter. But that duscussion is off topic for this thread and we can continue it elsewhere before we get MOD warnings

 

Even if this is the case, then how Leia couldn't sense her daughter? How doesn't she even know that she has a daughter? This theory raises a lot more questions than answers...

 

It's not so much about mutual attraction. It's about Ren being attracted to Rey for a number of ways, including physical desire because that is only natural. And it's about Rey seeing inside Ren's head and seeing why he is the way he is - something that she will get to know further when she is fights the Dark Side within herself. It strikes me that it would be one heck of a waste of both Driver's talents as an actor and playing the role of Han Solo's son for him not to become, at some stage, a charming love interest for the hero.

 

Oh, I was totally similarly shocked, in all honesty, when Kylo interrogated Poe. Did you see the pain he was causing? That happens before Rey's interrogation, and it was a bloodier, messier, meaner scene to be sure. It's what made me sit up and take note at how vicious Kylo can be. I put Rey above Poe in terms of strength. I did going IN to the movie. I see Rey as my daughter, but not in a protective way. In a "I hope she grows to be strong and self-sufficient with all her abilities, also" way. Rey is no wilting lily. So I view her the same way you view her, I believe. I think it's unsettling no matter who she is, lover, sister, cousin, or "nobody." Just as Poe's was unsettling. Kylo is being rotten and vicious to both of them. In fact, I was less bothered by the Rey scene because I figured she'd be in control of the situation shortly, as she was when Finn was about to "save" her on Jakku, and she took those two thieves down in swift order. I knew Rey would survive. I did not have the same confidence in Poe.

 

Sometimes I wonder if his words in the novel should have been in the movie. He was less violent and even said he didn't want to hurt her, but he had to get that map.

 

I think they showed him holding back on her as compared to Poe. For sure. I think that as the trilogy unfolds (if he gets redeemed), that subtext will be more obvious and it will be better for it that it isn't so overt as it is in the novel. Otherwise, it would hamper the "reveal" of the redemption. I do think he gets redeemed, BTW. So I am happy with the coyness of the scene as it makes the viewer work for the meaning, and lends to these debates (as does the whole film, really.) I think with repeated viewings and hindsight, the film will hold up well. However, I think MUCH of the coyness and lack of overtness in the rest of the film (not this scene, since the novel makes it obvious the subtext was intended) was intentional for a different reason: they didn't know where the story would go. So they treated it much like ANH, where Lucas wasn't entirely sure of the direction the story would take. So it behooved JJ and Kasdan to leave certain things unsaid, but allowing the viewers at the same time to read into the scenes what they wished, while simultaneously allowing the future films to build off these scenes and inbue them with REAL subtext that wasn't actually there before.

 

That's what I think too. It was intentionally done to keep us wondering, though redemption is the route they do seem to be heading with it. Also I think Poe was meant to die in that scene (not on Jakku), but Oscar wanted to keep his character alive.

You know they're doing it right if we have so many debates, controversies and discussions.