SPECULATION Sabine Predictions

I used to believe that Luke and Leia were NOT related....

 

Ok, quick note here before I assemble my wish list/speculations.

There is one line from Mando S2, The Jedi that has been stuck in my craw like a sesame seed. When Ahsoka is fighting Elsbeth, she says, "Where is your Master? Where is Grand Admiral Thrawn?" Not your Commander, your Mentor, your Boss, not where is your Daddy? Where is your Master? That is very odd wording, and I feel like it was meant to get more traction than it did. Filoni wrote and directed that episode and I fully believe it was meant as a prologue to this series. What was the implication of referring to Thrawn as Morgan's Master? Especially if we are to believe that she is a Nightsister, which, she totally IS. I also have an excellent Elsbeth theory that I'm keeping in my back pocket until later. Anyway, if we consider that scene, we now have two obviously vague uses of the word Master. I cannot believe that Dave is diluting the significance of that word in SW by using it callously twice now.

 

What those lesser beings could, or could not sense - does not concern me.





Sabine is asleep at the wheel of her life. She just needs some emotional trauma to realize her full potential.

 

My wife and I have been rewatching Rebels, and when Kanan is training Sabine with the Darksaber, Hera asks if the way Kanan is training her is due to her not having the Force. And his response perked my ears a bit. That all things have the Force, but Sabine is closed off due to her just bottling up all the stuff from her past and her family. And he makes her confront that while also teaching her about the crystal.

*If* they have her be Force sensitive in the show, that is likely gonna be the inciting moment for me.

remember, Vader, Ezra, and Kanan were also in the presence of Leia, and never picked up on anything for her either. (Perhaps some of that is partly why the Jedi had people trained specifically to be Seekers?)

 

lotatheta's ^^^^^ comment here + Sabine's "Master" comment to Ahsoka = Padawan Sabine in my book !!!!

 

Star Wars constantly balances a Force-inflation issue, and the fewer Force Users/Force Sensitives added the better, really. Sabine can continue to be a strong and influential hero & voice without having to be made/revealed as a space wizard/magic superhero.

None-Forcers are NOT secondary citizens and support characters to Force Users in Star Wars, which is a big part of SW's broad appeal and lasting impact.

We've had a couple of Force-light series now, post the big Skywalker Saga -- with Andor, TBoBF, and TM (although the latter has become increasingly Force-focused over the course of the seasons) -- and that's been a huge and important step for Star Wars.

Next up, we're getting three new shows that are going to be very Force-centric -- Ahsoka, Skeleton Crew*, & The Acolyte -- and we certainly do not need to change a perfectly good non-space wizard character (i.e., Sabine) into another space wizard. In fact, we need as many strong, interesting, and influential non-Forcer characters as possible in SW to balance out and give context to all the grand scale superpower stuff. (Which is also why I didn't much care for Finn being made a Forcer in TRoS, as it, IMHO, cheapens the character, but that ship is well sailed so I shan't go on about it).
*(Correct me if I'm wrong, but it has been hinted/stated that Jude Law's character is some sort of fallen/surviving Jedi and the kids all Force Sensitives, right? Or was that just conjecture on people's parts?)

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I don’t think everyone *needs* to be a Jedi, but content has set up before that everyone can feel the Force and can potentially open to it. So I’m open to if they take that angle with Sabine. I’m also open to it being a mislead and she doesn’t. Either angle really is fine to me if they can make a good story of it. Which I hope Filoni can do with the characters he was with for Rebels.

I think the one stake I have in her being Force Sensitive in the show is it can point more to the idea that Force Sensitivity isn’t a binary on/off thing. That with training, anyone could, and perhaps the Jedi Seekers mainly sought those who were already more open. But if she isn’t and is just..reaaaaally acrobatic in Rebels (whether that’s actually her compared to others or just an animation thing), then so be it.

Regardless, they’re definitely leading people to question either way with the trailer. So this curiosity and discussion of “is she? Isn’t she?” is likely want they want. Always potential for misdirects either way.

 

Last time this discussion came up, I was on the "I don't think she is, but there are several instances shown where someone who wasn't initially shown as FS was later shown to be FS and it was never picked up on by others, so it's not out of the realm of possibility," camp. And I'm still there. I'll probably be somewhere between exasperated and amused if she regardless of the case, honestly. Sabine is a character who has done too much in too little an amount of time for me to really mesh with. It's like when DC rebooted things to the New 52, and Batman's timeline with 5 different Robins was compressed to like, 5-10 years.

If she is FS and wasn't trained, it's an easy one-scene fix to explain why that's the case. (Kanan was either overwhelmed with Ezra and didn't want to compromise Sabine's training by splitting his attention, or he knew she wasn't ready and decided to postpone her training until she was either with or without her agreement.)
If she's not FS, then she's just another cool non-FS lightsaber user, and that's fine...so long as it's not another bait-and-switch like in TFA.

 

I believe it was implied that he used the Force to move an object, but the term Jedi hasn't been used. I haven't heard any speculation about all of the kids being FS, but that could be interesting. This could be part of addressing the bigger issue of what has been happening to FS beings in the Galaxy since the fall of the Jedi Order.

Exactly. We already saw Sabine recieve Jedi-style training from Kanan and Ezra. I do not think that she is referring to Ahsoka as Master from a Padawan perspective. It would make sense that she would seek further training from Ahsoka. That initial training she did with Kanan made her aware that she could feel the Force and it helped her with the Darksaber. None of this means she necessarily has Force Abilities, but knowing what we know of Sabine, she could have very well set her mind on trying to learn such abilities through meditation and training from Ahsoka in the ways the Jedi interacted with the Force. This could be the first time we see someone actually gain Force Sensitivity and Ability without an inherent trait of FS. It all kinda makes sense, since the Jedi often spoke of increasing their awareness and Ability in regard to the Force. Albeit most that we know of showed outward signs of FS and Ability even as young children. Who's to say that any average being, with determination and knowledge and a "Master" to train them, couldn't develop and hone Jedi-like skills and attunement through the Force since it flows through all living things.

Yikes. Let's not take it there. Watto was Anakin's Master... The word in those contexts has some heavy connotations that I hope SW swerves wide around unless they are gonna try and take it head-on. Tackling the plight of enslaved beings has been a background element a few times, and if they are going to dip their toes in that again at all, it really should be a full focus.

 

Also, every uni student with a Masters' Degree is, technically speaking, also a "Master", so the term can definitely mean a lot of different things. Basically, any boss or specialist of some kind can be a "Master".

 

Sorry, I didn't really intend to misconstrue what you were saying, and I certainly did not think you were downplaying the slavery aspect. I completely agree with your point regarding the use of "Master" and in fact, I brought it up earlier in this thread about it being used in the context of Thrawn being Morgan Elsbeth's Master. I don't believe that word is being used lightly because of it's significance in-universe. In fact, i think maybe the uses of Master in the GFFA could be it's own interesting conversation. I only brought up slavery regarding Jabba and even more loosely, droids.

Full disclosure, I think the bit in the trailer with Sabine saying Master is a misdirect. I can imagine that Ahsoka would shudder at the idea of being called Master. It's either being used as a sarcastic "dig" between the two, or it's creative editing for the trailer. Ahsoka had probably been teaching Sabine about the Force as far as lightsaber wielding, philosophy and meditation techniques. She walked away and Sabine kept at it.

 

Given that Sabine and Ahsoka were explicitly connected in a live action "Master & Apprentice" teaser, I'd more or less confirm that their relationship is indeed that. Granted, that doesn't mean Sabine is Force Sensitive.

 

Yes! I was just having the same thought and you beat me to the post. More mystery around the word "Master". Both new trailers are great, this one just gives me the feels.

 

Honestly I'm STILL not over that misdirection. It felt disingenuous and shorted us another cool BIPOC Jedi.

Again, while I'm leaning towards Sabine not being FS myself (but am open to the possibility and don't plan on betting!), I don't think Finn is the best example of that, given that Finn is Force Sensitive. Heck, he's one of the main examples I used of a character originally introduced as Non-FS but later is revealed to be FS without anyone around noticing. (Or at least brining it up.)

US "FINN IS FORCE SENSITIVE" FANS WON IN THE END!

Now that you mention it, there could be a bit of Morgan/Morganna Le Fey stuff going on, but I try not to get too caught up on names. In a galaxy where we have people named Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Boba, Asajj, and so many other weird names, we also have Luke, Leia, Ben, Caleb, and Hera.