SPECULATION Should Lucas have put Count Dooku in all three movies?

Dooku trains Maul who lasts through the first two movies, giving Obi-wan a chance to deal with the whole "Do Jedi seek revenge?" theme. Dooku seemed so random yet important in AOTC, which really confused me at the time, and I was already confused by the whole "Who started the clones" subplot. Ugh, AOTC...

 

I'd have made Maul Obi-Wan's archnemesis and Dooku Anakin's archnemesis.

 

I would rather have Dooku actually be what he told ObiWan when he had ObiWan in that trap - a Jedi who is thought to be a villain but in fact left the Council and Republic when he learned they were both controlled by a Sith, and started the Sepratists to combat it. At least, that is something I vaguely remember happening in AOTC - it's been years since I've seen that scene.

 

This is great! An attempt at redemption only to fall to Palpatine or his replacement apprentice!

 

Yes for Dooku it would be a been a noble but futile act.

 

This would mean that Dooku was more of a "neutral jedi" instead of the sith that he is supposed to be.since sith train in "TWO'S." IF Maul was trained, he would probably seek revenge on Dooku instead of Palpy. He slays Dooku and takes his place. Palpy doesn't do anything because he wants a strong apprentice nontheless. Maul is killed off in EP. III: ROTS in place of Dooku.

 

Yeah Dooku should have been the villian that only lasted one episode

 

He was a very weird character in the whole story. In the movies, he seemed like he was just leading the separatists against the corrupted Republic. When Palpatine has him killed by Anakin, he gives a very clear look of betrayal. Yes, he is the padawan of a Sith Lord, but he obviously does not realize he is just a pawn for Sidious to gain a new padawan.

But throughout the Clone Wars series, he just seems like some evil dude doing evil things. Not too interested in the war itself, but more in just being an evil guy. Very inconsistent in my eyes. I like the idea of him having a chance at redemption and trying to defeat Sidious, but ultimately failing as he must face the new Padawan, Darth Vader.

 

That would be an interesting idea.......

 

George had it in his mind that each episode would have a new villain (Maul, Dooku, Grievous). He wanted to foreshadow Anakin's future. I do agree that having Dooku in all three would have been a better choice but I see where George was coming from. Maul could have been in all three just as easily but so could of Grievous. It would have given deeper relationships to explore but Anakin was the focus. Dooku has better connection to Qui-gon and Maul is tied more to Obi-Wan. I still would have liked to have seen it but it was Anakin's journey and we go the Clone Wars which did delve in to some of this.

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I Personally wish that Lucasfilm would do a TV show set 5 years before The Phantom Menace or more, and show Sidious seduce Dooku and Sifo-Dyas. It is clear that Dooku was to take over for Maul from the beginning. Maul was not the type that would rally star systems to defect from the republic. They needed someone who could be diplomatic in public and sinister behind closed doors. Also seeing Qui-Gon and Dooku's relationship explored. Obi-Wan and Satine on Mandalore, Sidious rigging the election of Padme for he thought "She is young and naive". Plagueis involved in all of this and seeing Palpatine be an apprentice. I think there is a lot to be made canon in this area that is now legends. It's still rich with ideas to be explored.

 

Darth Maul was, I believe, part of Palpatine's disguise.

Really, who would possibly believe that Darth Maul's master was a quiet civil servant?

One of Palpatine's more brilliant moves was to get Maul to reveal himself to the Jedi, because it got all the Jedi looking for badass Sith warriors. It helped Palpatine remain unsuspected. After facing Darth Maul it was inconceivable to the Jedi that the Sith would come to power by being legally elected. Maul was a diversion, and Palpatine used him perfectly.

 

I Agree with you completely. Maul was his pawn that he willingly sacrificed. When Maul came back in the Clone Wars he doesn't kill him when he's making trouble, we see that he banishes him to Malachor. Palps keeps him there I suspect just in case he becomes useful again to him. Sidious is never one to waste a tool if he doesn't have to.

 

I don't think the character should have been created at all. I thought it was a terribly written and executed character, plus it would have made more sense for Darth Maul to remain the villain throughout the trilogy. He killed Qui Gon, who was the one who recruited Anakin after all. Anakin would have much more meaningful motivations to kill him than he did Dooku.

 

Dooku aged like a fine wine for me.

As a kid, he was my least favorite prequel villain.
Now, I actually find him the most compelling.

I've heard a good case that the prequel apprentices are all meant to be various foreshadowing of Vader- Maul his rage, Dooku his coldness, and Grievous his... mechanical body? It's an interesting idea, but I think that it doesn't quite hold up under scrutiny. Plus, I think Vader is better foreshadowed with Anakin and Palpatine's own interactions. For an apprentice villain, I think Dooku would've had some serious screen-stealing moments if he had more time.

 

I think Count Drookula was an interesting character but Lucas always treated him as the afterthought he was (the obvious reason he didn't appear in Episode I)

From a character's point of view, he was too complex for such little screen time, so he was underwhelming. Visually, he was the less iconic villain in the entire trilogy, so some people saw him as boring. And story-wise, his 'fallen Jedi' schtick made Anakin's betrayal a bit more predictable (if that's possible).

In my opinion, he had the potential to be a remarkable character in another story, but the prequel trilogy didn't really need him...

 

Why was Dooku needed in all three PT films? Mind you, I wish he had remained alive a bit longer in Episode III. But why was he needed in all three films, considering that he was not the main villain?

 

If he was going to be Qui-Gon's master and leave the order right around the time of Phantom Menace then it would make more sense.

I think if he wasn't so closely tied in it wouldn't matter as much even if would still be better to establish him.

Either way just another piece of evidence this wasn't as tightly mapped out as some like to pretend nowadays.

 

I wish that Darth Maul lasted at least until Episode 2.

Perhaps Dooku could have been Maul's mentor, and the Emperor himself wouldn't have been revealed until Episode 3.

We could have even seen Darth Plagueis - and then seen Palpatine dispose of him.. Palpatine kills Plagueis while Maul and Dooku are eventually cut down by Anakin and Obi-Wan. Then, Anakin himself falls to the Dark Side.

 

Dooku is one of my favorite antags after Grevious, but I think both lasted the right amount of time for the trilogy.

 

I wished that Grievous wasn't hurt in Episode 3; I would have liked the confrontation a bit better if he was at full strength.