Should Luke have been in the movie at all...?

I was ALWAYS thinking.... WHY did Leia did not became a jedi like Luke???Did you MAYBE know WHY my friend???

 

As much as I wanted "moar Luke", I think his presence in TFA was perfect!

 

Maybe she felt she would take a trip down the darkside memory lane like daddy Anakin, I don't think she wanted the ''rotten apple doesn't far fall from the tree'' expression to happen to her, that's why in eu she was hesitant about having kids with Han for fear the darkside would consume them until she read in shimi's diary that he was a good person before.

 

not sure if it works that way. I don't think she felt Han's death from his perspective either. I think she felt when Kylo killed Han and that was how she knew Han was dead.

 

The overall critically picky fans:
If he wasn't in the film: "OMG why wasn't Luke in the film. Mark Hamill was on the press tour. They TRICKED US. They're just trying to make us go watch episode 8.
F the system!!!!
When they see the small part he played in TFA. "OMG he only had like 1 minute of screen time, what bullsh*t. It was just fan service to make us nostalgic. F the system

 

Yes. Their worries about Luke taking away the entire movie was moot because it happened anyways at the very end. I'm not saying he should have been fighting like crazy but he should have been making more sense for the universe as a whole .

 

I think the cliffhanger is we never seen Luke take the saber yet.

I've watched that scene over and over again and one thing I can say for sure is this.

People keep saying 'a teary eyed Luke' looks at Rey.

There are no teary eyes in Luke. NONE. ZERO. Not even a hint of watery eyes. In fact to me he looks a little menacing.

I think they did this to keep up the question. What has Luke become?

No tears in his eyes. I'm confirming that unless the book contradicts it.

Happy? Couldn't tell.

Sad? Couldn't tell.

Angry? Couldn't tell.

And this is after multiple viewings.

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In fact I watched it again and he seems slightly angry to me?

 

This is from an article I read recently;
But what the Star Wars: The Force Awakens script does confirm is that Luke knows who Rey is when they finally meet at the end of the film. The screenplay says that Luke “doesn’t need to ask her who she is, or what she is doing here.” The script also describes Luke Skywalker as having “kindness in his eyes”

I personally liked the scene, but was slightly irritated with that being all there was. Oh well. It's not something I'd totally rage about.

 

I'm glad they showed Luke. I thought he looked badass. And I thought his expression was pretty intense. Reminded me of the over-emotive Luke of old.

I was a bit dissapointed because I was expecting to hear "Princes of the Universe" when he pulled that hood back.

...but I think the real question here is, why did Rey climb all those steps when she has a flying ship?

 

Oh ok thanks. If the script says that then I'll go with it.

Did anyone else think he had 'kindness in his eyes'? I really couldn't tell. Especially how he lowers his chin before they cut away. That's how I would look at my daughter if I found out she wrote on the wall with crayons.

 

Han Solo and Chewie were awesome in this movie. Leia was solid. Luke owned the ending. What did you want them to do exactly?

 

I'm sorry to say this my friend but when you grow up with those characters and you love them sinse you were a kid, seeing your childhood heroes reduced to mear shadows and failures of what they were before is hardly considered awesome by my standards.

 

Considering that I LOVED the ending, of course he should have been in the film. That ending was amazing, poetic, majestic, even mythic. And, once again, two actors who can so much while saying nothing at all. That happens A LOT in this film, and this scene, so perhaps it's fitting that the film's last scene was the same way.

 

As a kid who saw the movies in the theater and bought every action figure and toy I could get, I know what it's like to grow up with those characters. I also grew up and grew older myself. The same as these characters. Han Solo is exactly the way I would have expected a 70+ year old Han Solo. Same for Leia and Luke. Besides, Han and Chewie kicked ass in this movie. They basically infiltrated the Death Star again and took out the Endor shield generator again, only this time it was Starkiller and an Oscillator.

As for being failures, what did you want? For them to be living in Penthouses surrounded by awards of all their accolades? That would be a fun and realistic movie to watch...YAWN!

Just face it, you just wanted a sequel done 25 years ago.

 

No my friend you are wrong. I did not want heroes living in Penthouses surrounded by awards of all their accolades as you said as this is not how I see them yet if you don't see how they became failures then I will shed a little light on you. Let's go back to the ending of ROTJ. Here you had an awesome Jedi character named Luke who never backed down from any challenge no matter if the odds were pilled against him and this more if his friends were in danger. From the start Luke had to deal with horrible things like the death of his uncle and aunt, the death of his friend and mentor Ben, the death of his childhood friend Biggs, the defeat and the severing of his hand at the hands of Vader, coming to the knowlege that the evil tyrant he wanted to defeat was his dad, having his friend frozen in carbonite and then loosing him to a bounty hunter, facing the baddest guy in the galaxy as he tried to save his father who was doing his best to kill him at that time ect. Luke was a guy who had even abandoned his training and left to face Vader knowing he was completly outclassed for the love of his friends. He never backed down, never quit, never lost hope and overcame all odds for what his heart told him was right. This is the Luke Skywalker I grew up with and not some dorky quiter who abandoned his friends and family at the first sign of trouble when things went bad. TFA took everything that Luke was and tossed it to the garbage and turned him into a failure. Did I want him turning to an invinsible imortal Jedi surrounded by hot babes? No not at all yet I didn't expect him to be a washed up looser hermit either. What did he hope to find in that temple that was worth abandoning his friends and family and maybe even his own child? The power to rewind time???

Then we have Han. Sure I accept that Han and Chewie were awesome in the movie yet this doesn't take away the fact that JJ turned him into a failure as well. In ANH, what did Han want to do when the going got tough? Run away. Here was a man who cared only about himself and his partner and nothing more. Han had a change of heart (with Chewies help of course) and came back to do what was right. What became of Han from that point on? A caring dude who would also risk whatever he had to for the sake of his friends and family. What did JJ give us? A guy who abandoned his wife for a bunch of years because he couldn't deal with his son turning bad. Not being killed or anything, just turning bad. In the EU, Han had lost Chewie in an extremly nasty way and though he did take off for a time, it wasn't in no way like what he did in TFA. Chewie DIED saving his son and though Han couldn't deal with the grief and took off for a time, he didn't do it in the same way and as long as he did in TFA. Han even failed to keep the Falcon for crying out loud!

Leia failed as a wife, as a mother and failed as a Jedi. This was the fabled ''other hope'' that Yoda had spoken of. She helped lead a group who fought for peace and wanted to restore the Republic yet said group failed to do as they hoped as the Republic they lost so many lives to restore was so crappy that they had to leave it completly and form a resistance because the dorks running the show never saw the New Order as a threat. Starkiller showed them just how right they were in asuming that! So Leia failed as a Republic leader, she failed to keep her son from turning evil, she failed to keep her marrige together and she failed to become the other hope for the Jedi in the galaxy that was so desperatly needed as her failed brother had turned tail and fled to moap in a cave.

The Rebelion failed as well as they just lost countless lives to defeat an Empire just so a bigger badder evil would just pop out of nowhere and make their efforts in the battle of Endor seem meaningless.

So there you have it my friend. Are these mearly speculations on my part or is this what JJ Abrams gave us in TFA? With this said I once again answer your question. No I didn't want my childhood heroes to be all living in Penthouses surrounded by awards of all their accolades but I didn't expect them to be washed up versions of what they once were who all failed miserably after the events of ROTJ. Heck Luke even failed to make sure his fathers remains were properly burned before he left to party with the Ewoks!

 

So there you have it my friend. Are these mearly speculations on my part or is this what JJ Abrams gave us in TFA? With this said I once again answer your question. No I didn't want my childhood heroes to be all living in Penthouses surrounded by awards of all their accolades but I didn't expect them to be washed up versions of what they once were who all failed miserably after the events of ROTJ. Heck Luke even failed to make sure his fathers remains were properly burned before he left to party with the Ewoks![/QUOTE]

I have to say that when you put it that way, it's pretty damn dismal. Honestly I admit to wondering some of the same things and being annoyed with the conclusions.
It always seemed to me that Leia was the one person who seriously stuck by her convictions and beliefs from the very beginning and she still does. I don't think she gave up the way the others did, but she indeed failed at some aspects of her life. But then again who doesn't? I'd be more likely to give her some slack than Han or Luke simply because she's stood her ground, regardless of such horrible happenings.

I agree that I was confused and disappointed by the idea of Luke running off to hide and sulk, but then I began to wonder if there isn't something more to that story. Maybe that place has answers that no other place does. Maybe there is something incredibly strong in the force at play on that planet. Sort of like Dagobah. (sp?) But the idea of him just freaking out and leaving everyone to their own devices is for sure a cop out. I find that hard to swallow and think it's a situation similar to what Obi Wan went through. There are answers coming in the next film, I hope.

As for Han...Well let's face it, under all the "good guy" perceptions he was always a rogue. And after going through all the crazy crap with the rebellion, his wife, the fall of his son, and the losses overall, he probably said Blast It and went back to the life he knew best. He did have a worn sort of wayward look to him and I got the feeling he wanted to go back but was too jaded about the entire fiasco. Call it weakness, but many of us might have had the same reaction. The urge to flee is not always easily beaten when things seem so very desolate, even when you've triumphed in the past.

I think a lot of things will be put right as the new films develop. At least let's hope so. If not, we lynch mob the bastards! ;P

 

This takes NOTHING away from ROTJ:

-The Sith were destroyed.
-Vader and Sheev died, and Anakin was redeemed.
-The Empire was crushed, and no, the FO is NOT "bigger." They're actually much smaller and weaker, the movie showed that quite clearly.
-They had enough time to build a New Republic, Luke to start a New Jedi School, and Han/Leia to have a family.
-They had many years of relative peace, which is more than the old EU ever gave them.
-ETC.

But guess what, nothing lasts forever, and evil never dies (it just transforms). Also we don't know why Luke left or what he's been doing, so this speel about "he's a gutless coward who ran away" needs to stop. The story is only a third of the way over, we don't have all of the answers yet.