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So.. is Dubrovnik "Original" enough for you??

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Talon Karrde, Jan 28, 2016.

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    I really like Naboo. So I hope it is Naboo.

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    So you're telling me Gothic influences in the architecture have absolutely nothing to do with the fact the area was for some time part of the Ostrogothic Kingdom? Which fell just prior to Dubrovnik's founding? And that it was built by Croats, Slavic people who hadn't even moved that far south until after the 9th century? Okay whatever you say.

    Sure man you're totally right and this is totally standing in for Naboo, who am I to argue. Dubrovnik totally looks like it would fit in right with this (which was the actual main inspiration for Naboo).

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    1. It seems that you know nothing about Gothic style in architecture.
    Gothic style is originating from 12th-century France. It has nothing to do with Goths. It was just a term invented in France for that style of architecture.
    That style was popular in whole Europe from 12-16th, when it was replaced by the Renaissance style.

    It was popular in France, Italy, Spain, Croatia, England, Portugal ect..

    2. Area of today Croatia and Dubrovnik is populated by Croats in 6-7th century not in 9th, by Byzantine empire. As stated in Byzantine document '' De Administrando Imperio ''.
    Which genetic research confirms.

    Oldest buildings in present old city of Dubrovnik are actualy from 12th century ( buildings built prior to that do not exist anymore ), but most of them are from 14th-19th century.

    3. Before croats area of today Croatia was populated by Illyrians. Also romans and greeks have some colony settlements. Epidaurum was one of them.
    Actualy whole area was once part of Roman empire.

    4. That photo looks nothing like Naboo. That is a photo of the modern building called ''Marin County Civic Center'' from California. That building has nothing to do with both Italy or Renaissance style.

    5. I find funny that you want to teach me a things about my own home city.

    6. Scenes of Naboo are filmed in both Spain and Italy.

    7. We only saw small parts of Naboo, so we do not know how every place on Naboo look like, but we know that some parts of the planets have sub-tropical and tropical climate, because Naboo has jungles.

    8. Dubrovnik looks very similar and it will be enhanced with CGI, obviously as every location in TFA.
     
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    I've removed the negative ratings from this thread. This was a friendly conversation until today, and it can be friendly again. Keep it civil and take your personal beefs with each other elsewhere.

    Thanks.
     
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    I will add these here. Padme home from AOTC deleted scenes.

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    Other than Coruscant, SW has largely avoided locations that were urban, so I like them using an exotic city location like this one. Sure is nice to see new ideas at work.

    I wonder if this will be a sprawling urban environment or a coastal stronghold like King's landing/Minas Tirith, or some sort of outpost like cloud city or Mos Eisley.

    It's an interesting choice to use that city, and for SW it's original. Which yes, I'm in favor of original planets, plots, and people.
     
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    Naboo survived in comics.
    It seems that Naboo is one of the most important planets in The New Republic, and place where survivors of Alderaan are settled.
    Plus Naboo is where Leia and Luke living family from mother side are from ( Padme had mother, father, sister and two nieces ).
     
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    This is not what I was talking about. I was talking about the fact that the area was a part of the Ostrogoth Kingdom, and that there's all kinds of architecture leading back to that period around the area, and that much of the images you showed features buildings that have much more in common with the architecture of Germanic cultures such as the Goths than it does with few real life locations they have used to stand in for Naboo, but since you mention it those Gothic style buildings also don't look a thing like Naboo. If that offends you, you need to lighten up and a smoke a joint or something lol.

    I'm not trying to be rude here but for the sake of historical accuracy, you're wrong. In the 6th and 7th century the only slavs in the area were small nomadic tribes, in fact the term Croat only dates back to the 9th century and the Kingdom of Croatia was not founded until the 10th century, prior to that the area was part of the Roman Province of Dalmatia, and even before then (5th and 6th century) it was part of the Ostrogoth Kingdom, as the Western Roman Empire had of course been sacked by them.

    I don't know about this but I do know that the entire city does not fit any particular architectural styling, and especially not one that just "screams Naboo" as you said, I would also say that the areas where we know they are actually shooting look nothing like Naboo, apart from the color of the bricks. So whatever, enough of this silly pissing contest.

    And you're calling me a troll?

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    It's actually very well known that the Marin County Civic Center is in fact one of the main inspirations for the planet of Naboo. This is no secret at all, they will tell you all about it if you go there, in fact much of Naboo we see in screen looks a lot like Marin County California, surely no coincidence as that's where Skywalker Ranch is and it's only a 20 minute drive from there to the Civic Center where Lucas also shot scenes for his first feature film THX-1138. Nobody said it had anything to do with Renaissance style architecture, and that's completely beside the point.

    The point is the locations you keep showing pictures of only look vaguely similar to Naboo, the simlarities end at a few buildings in a similar architectural style to some locations used in the prequels, but the fact of the matter is that baroque/renaissance style architecture was only part of the inspiration for the planet. They actually used very few outdoor locations in Spain and Italy to stand in for the planet, they mainly shot interiors there and the rest for the most part was models, digital matte painting and/or shot on a sound stage.

    At any rate, this argument is stupid anyways considering we do not even know if they're shooting in the areas you keep posting pictures from. Theorize all you want, we get that you really like Naboo but I gotta say it's highly unlikely that's what we're seeing here
     
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    Ignore the music? It's a pretty good song!
     
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    I want to visit those places now for sure!!! The lakes look fake they are so beautiful!!!
     
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    Rest assured, they're quite real! Just avoid rainy days and that's it! :D
     
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    Ostrogoth Kingdom like I said before lasted for only 60 years in 5th century and both Italy and Croatia where part of that short lasting kingdom. Dubrovnik has nothing to do with that kingdom.
    Gothic style of architecture has nothing to do with Ostrogoth Kingdom. Gothic style of architecture was invented in 12th century france. And it was popular in whole Europe in that time.

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    Like I said before Dubrovnik is built in 4 architecture styles, Romanesque, Gothic, Renaissance and Baroque.
    Dubrovnik looks like Mediterranean city not germanic. Obviously you need a joint not I, because you are speaking about things you know nothing about.
    Obviously you've never been, nor in Germany nor in Italy nor Croatia.

    Dubrovnik would fit perfectly as Naboo.


    Nope. Not only that you are trying to be rude. You are rude.
    1. Like I said before Byzantine document ''De Administrando Imperio'' say otherwise. Byzantine empire populated area of today Croatia with Croats in 6-7th century.
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    Genetic haplotip Eu7, specific for croats is actualy 24 000 years old. New genetic research suggest that croats are present there thousands years earlier than previously thought. Also croats have highest percentage of Illyrians genes in europe, which suggests that today croats are actually mixed old croats with Illyrians.



    Also my dear, area of today Croatia before croats was populated with Illyrians.

    Also Original names of Dubrovnik are from 7th century, ''Dubrava'' and ''Laus''.
    Dubrava and Dubrovnik are slavic words. ''Dub'' is ''Oak'' on croatian language. ''Dubrava'' means oak forest.
    So in english ''Dubrovnik'' would mean ''Oak forest city''


    False.
    1. like I said before oldest buildings in present old city of Dubrovnik are from 12th century, but most of them are from 14-19th century.
    All documents from Republic of Ragusa are still there. So we know who design and built every single building in the city, you know.
    Naboo looks like old Mediterranean city, and Dubrovnik is old Mediterranean city. Dubrovnik could represent parts of Naboo we did not seen before on screen.

    Of course Dubrovnik may be entirely new planet. But out of all planets we have seen onscreen in Star Wars it looks the most like Naboo.
    Also they are shooting in and around Renaissance buildings in Dubrovnik.

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    That is a modern building that looks nothing like Naboo on screen. Only similarity are blue domes.

    Also I know where they will shoot obviously, because I live in Dubrovnik.
    They will shoot at City walls, Banje beach, Stradun street, Sponza palace, Old city port, square Arms.
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    They filmed something this morning in Dubrovnik at Stradun street. Which is strange because filming for EP VIII is scheduled for March 9-17th.
    It is probably filming of some kind commercial.

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    Missing the forest for the trees, you're trying to say this entire city looks like Naboo and all of the architecture fits a very specific style. It does not.

    While this has precisely nothing to do with the topic, Croats were originally a Slavic Tribe who came from the area today that is occupied by Poland and Ukraine (we know this because that is there the Slavic language group originated). There were two early migrations of Slavs in the area in the 6th and 7th century, and they were tribal people who lived in small huts until they were eventually assimilated into the local population. There actually is no written record of these migrations that weren't written centuries after the fact, the document you refer to is from the 10th century (i.e. it's not completely reliable archaeological evidence) and it mentions that the Byzantine Empire brought them there to drive out the Alans it isn't as though they transplanted them there and gave them the land and then they represented the majority population in the are. And as I said the term Croat also did not appear in any known texts until the 9th century. I'm sure you're proud of your heritage and all (assuming you're not bsing) but your information is glossing over some fairly basic facts, man. I'm sure people living there today can trace their lineage back thousands of years to people who lived in the area, this does not mean that Croats populated the area thousands of years ago, it does mean that modern Croats are very mixed.

    No it's not false, there are many different architectural styles throughout the city. It doesn't fit one particular style. You seem to be under the impression that there weren't many different styles at play during these different historical periods and that's false. While it is accurate to say that Naboo was inspired by some Renaissance Period Architecture, it is not accurate to say that all architecture in that period is at all similar or fitting in one style.

    Are you even looking at the pictures you keep posting? There is no uniform style to everything. Furthermore, you don't seem to be even be familiar with how they even do these location shots. Let me spell it out in plain English for you: they are shooting on location in Dubrovnik, this does not mean they're shooting the entire city. It means they are shooting some locations there. In the case of something like Star Wars, when they're shooting on location in a city, you can be assured they're shooting limited locations that are going to look very different when you see them inporporated in the film. Yes some of the locations certainly could fit right in Naboo, but much of it doesn't look even vaguely similar, namely the giant castle walls around the city.
     
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    1. Croat is ethnic.
    I'am an ethnic croat.
    And croats are slavic.

    2. Yes modern croats are mixed with Illyrians as genetic research suggests.

    3. All scholarship has placed the arrival of the Croats in the 6-7th century.
    Dubrovnik is established by Croats and Greeks in 7th century.
    Name of the city is in croat ''Dubrovnik'', old Dubrava from 7th century.
    Old Croats where warrior nomadic nation. And there was at least 7 tribes.
    Genetic haplotip Eu7, specific for croats is like I already said and you keep ignoring that fact, actualy 24 000 years old. And that haplotip Eu7 specific for croats can be found in human remains thousands years old, found in the area of today Croatia.
    So not only that Byzantine document ''De Administrando Imperio'' is true, but actual genetic evidence confirms that croats where present there even thousands years earlier.

    Soo really like I said before, you know nothing about this subject. Everything you know is from wikipedia, and that is sad.
    Then read more from wikipedia and learn.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ragusa#cite_ref-Paton_11-1

    Also learn the difference between goths and gothic architecture ( french style of architecture ). Learn the differency between Germanic and Mediterranean.

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    Naboo is inspired by Mediterranean Architecture plus blue domes.

    It seems that I know alot more about that subject than you.
    Like I already said in previous posts, of course that city will be enhanced with CGI and sets. Same was in Spain and Italy.
    Blue domes where not on locations, they where miniatures and CGI. They do not exist in Italy and Spain.

    Dubrovnik would fit perfectly as Naboo. Only thing they need to add with CGI are blue domes.
    Also another fact you keep ignoring, we do not know how every city, every place on Naboo looks like.

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    Please do not argue about things you know nothing about.

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    Also I never said that Dubrovnik will be Naboo in EP VIII. But it can be, it has necessary look that can be enhanced with CGI.
     
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    As fascinating and storied as I'm sure the history of Dubrovnik is, this is not the thread to discuss it. Using visual clues from the city to try and determine what planet it will be representing is great, but anything more belongs somewhere else.

    Let's not derail the thread, guys.
     
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    In Croatian language (my native) this local report states that people around there started picking up some info and that the place filmed in Dubrovnik is: "The planet of Luke Skywalker"

    Does that mean the future, more urban look of Tatooine, or the part of Ach-To that we completely didn't count on? What do you think?
     
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    Or It could just be a planet Luke ends up on in Esp VIII
     
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    Also, Vader could not resist to visit the place aswell.

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    I won't try to guess what planet is this. I tried with TFA and I was very mistaken (Yavin, Naboo, Dantooine... but it was D'Qar; Tatooine, but it was Jakku; etc.).
    Anyway, I think it's a new planet... or Ahch-To... who knows what else has in that planet.
     
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    My feelings are that its a new planet not seen before in SW. Probably something to do with Poe Dameron. Or perhaps Finn's remembered where he was kidnapped from and has gone home to find his family.

    As for the Vader and trooper photos, those are clearly fans. The trooper uniforms are of the OT era.;)
     
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