Solo "bombs", so what happens next?

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It's a mixed bag with the critics and with the audience.

I said it had a better recommendation score than Jumanji, but much lower than The Last Jedi. So... no I didn't say that. I did say that maybe the film will have legs since the score was higher than Jumanji, but I wasn't hopeful.

Thanks for pointing me to the study. It supports that critic views are a good reflection of the general audience for big box office films like The Last Jedi. Also, if critics are meh about Solo then it stands to reason that's where audience are as well.

Latest update from Deadline:

 

We already had a Han origin story (from the EU).
Also there is nothing new. Always journey to the next movie, the next movie. The books do not bring things forward, books do not matter to Disney.
The books kept Star Wars alive for more than 30 years.

The book haters will now say "But no one reads books anymore!" as if it's a good thing.

 

Well, not me, but this believed to be one of the reasons (according to Wikipedia anyway). Still, if they want to keep making movies every year, they should change their approach.

 

Hmmm.... I think you said quite a bit more than that....

So.. yeah...

Obviously the article says a lot more than that, and it refutes what you have been pushing in these threads, that it's the mixed reviews are a major source of blame...

and this:

So if that's all you pulled out of that article, well, to me you are purposely being obtuse...

Another point you tried making in the Box Office thread is trying to say that when the RT critics scores are at or below Solo levels (73%) that the movies don't succeed at the box office, to which my response was:

 

Thats a copout answer. You brought it up. So pointing to some other sub-forum that likely has thousands of posts is a copout. Fact is that TLJ started directly where TFA left off. You may have wanted Luke to be on the island saying ok Rey lets train you and then go save the galaxy. You may have wanted the Resistance to escape and build up then attack the FO. You may have wanted Snoke and Kylo to have a training sequence and be ready for when Rey and Luke arrive. Or whatever, but the fact is no 2 Star Wars movies ever were so directly connected. You just dont like the direction it took. That is OK. We all have different ideas. I just put my ideas away went into the theater and watched the story the story group put together and it made sense.

 

You said...

Thanks for making my point.
None of these quotes you so diligently went to find have the word "great" in them.

I wouldn't characterize any of those statements as "post about how great word of mouth is..." Also, I'm just describing it the way Deadline mentioned it and continues to mention it. There neither hyperbole or hype in my quotes. It's simply a description from Deadline.

 

LOL... nice try, I didn't realize we were working at a third grade level of semantics...

 

The main point hasn't been dismissed. The study that you've cited proves that critic and audience reviews are nearly identical for box office hits. The Last Jedi was more divisive among fans. I don't think anyone doubts that. However, most of the movie going audience aren't super fans who are divided. The general audience loved The Last Jedi as the study says... it's in line with critic and audience reception to the film.

For Solo we have a film that Star Wars fans like and it's getting "good/solid" word of mouth scores, but this is probably because the general audience isn't going. As Deadline says "despite the movie’s solid positive exit scores, Solo‘s problem isn’t with audiences leaving the theater, but getting the non-fans in the door."

 

Hold on... I'm going to go over and read deadline, they seem to do a lot of your thinking for you...

 

And using professional and well-regarded box office analysis to support your claim is wrong because...?

 

Using available information to form your own opinion is different than constantly quoting other peoples opinions as a form of I'm right because they have "the authority".

It's a similar scenario to my friends a police officer, so I know what I am talking about when it comes to the law....

on a lighter note...

Today's is Kathleen Kennedy's Birthday... The Official FaceBook page posted a Happy Birthday, and oh boy is it getting lit up...

I personally don't think it's appropriate... but oh boy, there are some pissed off fans...

edit: oh and there are also a lot of fans sticking up for her too, i just wanted to make sure to point out that it wasn't a complete mess...

 

What kind of comment is this. Simply trying to tell someone is an idiot because they mention something a professional analyst said.

Last weekend I was grocery shopping wearing a Solo shirt had to have been asked by 10 people about Solo. You know the typical "Have you seen it?
sort of stuff. None of them had seen it yet, but were interested enough to see it. They just didnt feel the need to rush out and see it. Same thing happened this morning at Starbucks. No one has said they dont want to see it because of TLJ. Simply no need to rush and see it.

 

I've had this experience as well. It's kind of bizarre. A couple of my good friends (with kids) who are big Star Wars fans just haven't gone to see the movie. These are people who have loved the last three movies who plan on seeing Solo, but didn't make it a priority to see it. If Lucasfilm can't get these people into the theaters what hope is there for the general audience?

 

Nope we all do it, I've done it. But, when you've been involved in a prolonged argument with someone across multiple threads, like I have, a trend starts to form.

That's a great story, I am sure that when they go, they will buy the millions and millions of dollars worth of tickets that Solo is now missing from it's box office.... obviously being sarcastic...

Sorry, but, those magical people that may be waiting to see the movie, just aren't going to all of a sudden show up.... I am sure the people you talked too will, what all 15 of them? The numbers don't lie, people aren't going. The projections are estimating a $28 million weekend coming up, that is ridiculously bad for a second week for a Star Wars movie.

$28 million dollars is equal to roughly 3 million tickets.... for the entire weekend...

For all of the back and forth between DailyPurge and I, I do agree with them, and have admitted so in another post, that the biggest problem seems to be that there is no interest in the movie. My issue is that Daily is outright dismissing that fan unhappiness has anything to do with this fiasco, while believing some weird theory put forth by deadline (see what I mean) that the critics gave Solo mixed ratings because the bad publicity from the directors being fired a year ago, caused them to unconsciously write mixed reviews...

Daily will believe that, but, won't believe that fan backlash is also a component to Solo's demise...?

 

My point was that they dont have a reason to not see it. They just dont feel the need to rush out and see it. I think a lot of them will just wait for home video. Nothing has compelled them to go see it in a theater yet. Especially since they may have already spent a lot of money going to theaters to see movies lately. We cant ignore that going to a movie isnt necessarily cheap. I dont care it is one of my favorite things to do. My wife certainly isnt that way. She gets dragged to the theater. If we didnt have Moviepass I am certain the dragging would happen less.

Will also mention it changes when people go to the movie. Looking on Fandango now at my favorite theater. The matinee showings on the smaller screens at $6 are nearly sold out. The later in the day showings and the premium screen at $13.50 and $15.50 per ticket have sold only a few tickets except for the 7PM-730PM showing.

 

Do you think I am disagreeing with you? Because I am not... SO I am no sure what you're getting at, besides feeling the need to rush in an protect Daily's virtue from mean old me...

Again, I am open to other reasons for the demise of Solo, I've even said I don't believe the fan backlash was the main reason, but, I believe it is a reason, and if someone can believe that bad publicity from a year ago invaded the psyche of the critics causing them to write mixed reviews, than how can they outright dismiss the possibility of a fan backlash? That's pretty much been the crux of our back and forth, and I was getting tired of repeating myself, so....

I do appreciate your input though!

 

I don't doubt there are some upset fans who refuse to see Solo. What I doubt is that it's having much of an effect (heck, the SWNN twitter account could only find 8% of fans who claimed they were boycotting). The data suggests that Solo is failing because the general audience doesn't care to see it and the film is just okay (not my opinion, but that's the consensus).

Also, as @KeithF1138 has mentioned... he has met Star Wars fans who simply haven't made Solo a priority. It's not because of some grievance, it's because Solo isn't generating enthusiasm. This really isn't a surprise. A lot of fans have said this about a Solo film for years.

 

I don't believe SW fatigue is an issue. Maybe TLJ fatigue from those fans who disliked TLJ.

I believe that between the fan backlash, the competition and the compressed schedule of good movies coming out (IW, Incredibles 2, JW2, DP2) around the same time frame, fans have made their choice well before which would take priority for them, and Solo lost out. I don't think critics reviews played a big role, but possibly a minor one, same with the change of directors. Fans don't have bottomless wallets, and when you have 4 or 5 good movies coming out within a 2 month period, fans will be forced to choose between them and are not likely to take them ALL in.

I wasn't opposed to watching Solo, I chose not to because of all the other movies that are out or will soon be coming out. I chose not to because talking to my son, he was more thrilled at the other options (I probably should include Antman and Wasp in here as well). I didn't mind skipping out on Solo because of TLJ, but again, had it not faced the competition, I wasn't opposed to watching it. I do feel I need a SW break after TLJ though. In that sense, I think TLJ factored in, but not so much as a united boycott so much as just TLJ fatigue from those fans who disliked TLJ.

 

And once again, there is a difference between people actively boycotting something and people that have lost interest. It's something i pointed out to you before, and you just glossed over it. Again, I will repeat it... there is a difference between people actively boycottign something and people losing interest because the previous product made them unhappy.

If I buy a specific brand of beer for years, and they change the forumla and I no longer care for the taste, and don't buy it anymore, I am not actively boycotting, I just don't like it anymore.... There is a difference, but, I am sure you will just gloss over this again, and next time this comes up claim that the silly poll of what 1,600 people means something...


but again... If there are 15 million Star Wars fans, and 10% "boycott"... that's a loss of 1.5 million ticket sales... I don't think Disney would want that either....

 

Hi, I'm RoyleRancor and I am a Star Wars fan who just hadn't had time to see SOLO until last night. Was I boycotting or anything like that? No. I've just been stupid busy and quite frankly didn't have time to prioritize SOLO like would have an episodic film which is an event.