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Star Warriors & Trekkies: Can someone be both?

Discussion in 'Television' started by Captain Sabalan, Sep 25, 2014.

  1. Voxx

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    I like all the Trek movies, even the JJ Abrams ones. You have to remember it is a different continuity, therefore, a different version of Trek.
     
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    I don't have a problem with the concept they attempted- to go back to the iconic era but give themselves freedom to tell new stories without being crushed under a mountain of established continuity.

    My problem lies with the blast writing and things like:
    - "A Supernova threatening the entire galaxy" - are you f**king kidding me????!!!
    - ships going back in time through black holes - I didn't accept that blast 3 decades ago when I was 10 and Disney's Black Hole came out. Not to mention that Start Trek has already established AT LEAST 7 other innovative ways to time travel that were more interesting. You can only travel 'forward' in time if you lurk near a singularity as shown in the sci-fi series Andromeda and the recent film Interstellar.
    Bad storytelling like putting Kirk off on a moon that just happens to be right near Spock while going light speed- something even Data in Next gen couldn't do reliably.
    God forbid you would just put him oh, I don't know - IN THE BRIG??? Melodramatic much Spock?
    Not to mention nothing happening to the new moon they invented for Vulcan when its primary imploded. But then again they don't even know what a supernova is except that it sounds "sciencey" so I doubt they even know that gravitational theory is a thing.

    Second movie- the instantaneous travel to different worlds sticks in my craw. ADD is that bad now that people can't handle a fade out to denote a passage of time?

    Not to mention that the story of the 1st Star trek is just a retread of Nemesis which itself was a terrible film and was also a retread of Wrath of Khan.

    I only have a problem with the magic blood if it's never used again in a future film. It should have massive ramifications for medical science application going forward.

    Just to mention a few things I had a problem with.



    I'm not content to say "More, Please!" when someone serves me up a big steaming pile of blast covered in diarrhea gravy. To each his own I guess. i have higher standards.
    How Tweedledee and Tweedledum Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman get a million dollars a screenplay is beyond me. But what the f**k do I know?


    Guardians of the Galaxy was a fun film though. I overlook the skin exposure in space because he may have some technology and/or he's not entirely human. They mention Gamora had implants to sustain her for a short time. They also addressed the fact that Starlord hears English in the movie (a common gripe of many)- but its unfounded- during the prison lineup it says he has a translator implant. See? Smart writing.
     
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    Okay I see your points. Totaly agree, but I still enjoy the movies.
     
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    To each his own brother. We all have our guilty pleasures :)

    A lot of people don't like the 60s, 70s, 80s sci-fi stuff I enjoy like the old Doctor Who, Survivors, Blake's 7, Quatermass, Day of the Triffids miniseries, Nightmare Man, Children of the Stones, The Stone Tape, Year of the Sex Olympics, Colossus: The Forbin Project, Rollerball, Soylent Green, Logan's Run, Zardoz to name a few.

    The modern remakes of stuff listed above also sucked ;)
    My biggest gripe is the lack of intelligent writing that is now absent. Back then the effects were crap but the writing was phenomenal. Now we can create anything visually but seem to have lost the good storytellers and writers.
    Shame really.
     
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    Haha, you may want to check out the Sci-Fi movies besides Star Wars thread!
     
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    haha I posted there over 2 weeks ago ;)
     
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    Well how bout that!
     
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    I love The Star Trek films (1-6).Great films.TNG and DS9 were awesome series. The new stuff and TNG movies (except First Contact),to be perfectly honest,are garbage.

    But,yeah,i'm from both camps.
     
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    I watched "Fanboys" recently, and while the movie amused me greatly, I don't quite get the Trek hate. (There are quite a few scenes in the movie that feature the Star Wars vs. Star Trek battles, etc.) While the scenes were funny, I wonder if there is any truth to the comedy.

    Now, I certainly prefer Star Wars over Star Trek, but I've delved into ST fandom a bit and I can see why it also has a solid fan base. Most of the Star Wars fans I know also like (sometimes prefer) or at least appreciate Star Trek to extent (many like sci-fi in general). Was there/is there a real rivalry between Star Wars and Star Trek fans? Did I miss it in the 70's or 90's? Has anyone ever witnessed any real battles over the fandoms?

    Just curious if there is some truth the antics in "Fanboys".
     
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    Yeah. the basic thought is you are either into one or the other like pirates or ninjas

    doesnt really matter anymore though since nerd culture went mainstream

    although i love both but i love star wars more ... but then again im an uber sci-fi nerd ... i love babylon 5 and firefly just as much.
     
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    I build commission models, and many of my clients who are hardcore Star Wars fans, are also into Star Trek. The two most requested sci-fi models I build are OT X-Wings, and the original series USS Enterprise in various scales. Many of these models from the two franchises go to the same customer, so there is a significant crossover, at least with my clients.

    For me personally, I've been a lifelong fan of both SW and ST. I like both franchises equally.
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    I love Firefly too. Jayne rules!
     
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    Funny, this was (somewhat) of a conversation in my office today;

    I laughed when a colleague compared the two and compared Star Trek Fans to "ISIS" and Star Wars Fans to mainstream Muslims...the reasoning:

    Star Trek Fans, like ISIS will just kill you when you oppose their theories
    Star Wars Fans: Like Mainstream Muslims will spend the time to explain and teach you.

    I laughed for a half an hour after hearing that. HOWEVER, I've been a fan of both, but primarily SW. I own EVERY ST movie and SW movie, and liked TNG but was never a B5 (real) fan....but I DO LOVE Firefly (and own every episode & Serenity) and was PISSED when Fox cancelled it! ;)
     
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    I wonder if it is/was a generational thing. I don't think it was or is a deep rivalry for most, more an idea than a reality. For sure it is a real thing for some people, but why ? they are both excellent in their own ways. I remember my first look at Return of the Jedi was on Leonard Nimoy's Lights, Camera, Action! tv show and thinking that was a big deal along the lines of world peace or something ;) ha

     
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    I am a hardcore fan of Star Wars but I also like Star Trek. Both are cool in their own way though hands down I prefer SW. I do however have to say that I have indeed witnessed some hardcore SW vs ST arguments. Fans acuse one series to be lame while the other does the same and the battle rages on starting with ship speeds, power and defence to alien cultures and what not. I laugh when this happens and I have to admit that sometimes I light the fire a little by defending SW. I love both series but if there is one thing that I have to say that I really REALLY hate about ST is the dumb choice of aliens in their universe. You can travel a friking million lightyears into space and when you arrive in a new planet, all you are going to find are humans with a different set of ears, nose, a lump on the forhead, a few dots on the skin ect. This used once or twice is ok as I love both the Vulcans and the Klingons but after so many Bajorans, Thrills, Ocampas and whatnot, the concept loses it's touch and becomes really absurd. Just taking a human a stiking a feather on his head is a whole new species in ST and that bugs me greatly. Plus english is the universal language cause you can find a colony of talking ants on a remote sistem and these talk english too! And before anybody brings up the universal translater in the comm badge, even if the characters uniforms are removed and their badges taken away, the aliens STILL keep talking english and the crew members understand them! Maybe with a little more effort on their aliens ST could be even cooler but it still is a great series everyone can enjoy even though Khan can never hope to beat the likes of Vader! Ha Ha I'm just messing around with any hidden Trekkies in this page with that last comment. :)
     
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    Back when I was in school, it was always the "science guys" who would argue in favor of Star Trek. They would constantly say things like: "Space is a vacuum, so the laser blasts would not make a sound!" To which Star Wars would argue: "Well, what about phasers and photon torpedoes? Those weapon aren't exactly quiet, dude!"
    We used to have a lot of fights in school.:D
     
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    Oh my gosh, yes- if you like B5 you are a real scifi nerd. As it happens, it's my favorite TV show ever.... though I also own Serenity (and a whole bunch of others). The five year story arc in B5 is just mind-bogglingly good (once you get past the cheesy alien costumes).

    I always felt the original Star Trek was pretty sexist. If one were to check, I think one would find Star Wars has many, many more female fans than Star Trek, especially TOS. Although I devoured Star Trek books and reruns as a child, Leia really blew my socks off. And now, I just find TOS rather dated in comparison to Star Wars, and kind of never got into the other Star Trek series.
     
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    I think women really got into Spock because he admired women for their competence and intellect over being sexually attracted to them.

    back in the 60s / 70s they went apes**t for him like a rock star xD
    what can i say. the 60s were a weird time heh

     
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    I agree. I think that the cause of all this is the fact that now that being a SW or ST fan isn't social death anymore, tons of closet fans are now not that anymore. It's easy to be a fan of whatever, without having to "recruit" during the dark ages to keep the fandom alive.
     
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    I think there will always be a rivalry to some degree, but one that has been and will continue to be a mostly friendly one. I remember having some passionate arguments about it when I was a kid, but once one gets a little maturity, they tend to see how pointless it is to compare the two series. Star Trek is Sci-Fi, whereas Star Wars is Sci-Fi Fantasy, otherwise known as Fantasy with Sci-Fi aesthetics. Star Trek tackles things like what kinds of rights an Artificial Intelligence would have in the future and subjects like that. Star Wars tackles mysticism and moral fables common in myth and fairy tales. Both do have some crossover, but it is minimal.

    I am definitely more of a Star Wars fan, but I am able to enjoy Star Trek as well, just as something completely different.
     
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    In my opinion there is only one aspect in which Star Trek could ever beat Star Wars. And that is only in the amount of material to be viewed. And to be honest, as a kid growing up I was always jealous of Star Trek fans because of it.
    But now that I have like @Admiral Petty said matured (even though I still act childish at times) I realize that "Quality" is always better than "Quantity"
    \m/ \m/
     
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