The Acolyte (news and discussions)

In my humble opinion, it's all about the story and the tempo. One of the reasons why I tout The Mandalorian Season 2 as one of The Best Seasons of a TV series Ever is because the tempo of each episode was near-perfect. Not a wasted moment to be found. Like the old Saturday matinee movie serials it pays homage to, it sped the season forward to its blockbuster, grand finale.

 

I personally like the ideas being presented, but the trailer doesn't do that good of a presention. It lacks scale in the presentation. Which is something a couple of cgi-heavy establishing shots can fix. Like in the Bad Batch.
As for characters - we shall see. Again, on paper it all looks extremely promising, but the trailer doesn't do justice to anybody. Well, except for Carrie-Anne Moss. She is as awesome, as ever.
So, we'll see. I am definetely gonna watch it. Especially since it is going to coincide with my planned dive into the High Republic in May.

 

Is there info on this wookie? The shot of her or him instantly got my interest . Well all alien characters did the most besides Carrie-Anne Moss

 

A "Wookiee Jedi," who "is a loner who lives a solitary life" and played by Joonas Suotamo (so a he). Seems to be about it for now.

 

I instantly like him already!

 

It was indeed an incredible season for sure. Loved it.

Me too. Love this kind of characters and the expressions from trailer looks so cool. Also I love Jonas movements under that wookie. Incredible job in every SW movie. Interesting to see if he will apporach the character differently this time.

 

Definitely

 

Is there anything in the trailer that feels like it'll be a major disaster or "woke" and is the trailer really getting tons or dislikes?

I keep getting negative star wars videos recommended on youtibe for some reason with bs titles such as "Next Star Wars Disaster Is Almost Here", "New Star Wars Bomb", "New Star Wars Fail", "Katherine Keneddy Strikes Again" , "Even More Woke Star Wars", "New Disney and Star Wars Disaster for Bob Iger", "Disney Attempts Damage Control For The Acolyte" and.."Space Lesbians Again" oh yeah and .. "Dune II The Star Wars Killer!?" and "Dune II officially kills dying Star Wars"

Lots of dumbass thumbnails of Bob Iger and Katherine Kennedy crying, being sad or raging as well as dislike numbers, a black female character from the show and of the youtube making faces. So f'n sick of this crap!

 

So true. I've had my own "anti-woke" phase a while go, but I got so sick of all the negativity that I dropped Youtube stuff like that altogether. That did not make me "pro-woke" or anything, but helped my media enjoyment immensely.
Now I watch stuff for myself and generally ignore any Youtuber opinions. Especially, since popular channels tend to tell their audience what they want to hear, rather than any kind of honest opinion. That's how a channel like that becomes popular in the first place.
So, if Acolyte is good - excellent. If not - maybe I'll still enjoy it. There's plenty of stuff that's not "objectively good", that I either love or simply enjoy watching.

P.S. Those guys saying "Dune killed woke Star Wars" are for a very rude awakening if Dune Messiah ever gets filmed

 

Ageeed. Same

 

When the first Villeneuve movie was released, I had a virulent "anti-woke" poster on another forum insisting that it succeeds where Star Wars has now "failed" because of the latter's "obsession'" with diversity at the expense of good writing. (castling and writing are inexplicably interchangeable whenever someone protests about "diversity", I've noticed). That was until I pointed out how many parts in Villeneuve's film were cast with non-white actors, in contrast with the 84 movie. I think it actually came as a surprise to them that Dune was an adaptation of a novel too.

I don't know what that proves except that many of the loudest combatants in the so-called culture war are people who's focus is on a virtual, phantom reality where positions can be taken on problems that don't materially exist and/or the narratives that they cling to and which support their position are equally illusory.

The answer I got from the aforementioned poster about the actual state of affairs regarding Dune was that he would allow it since the movie was a hit and he liked it. But if the second one fails it will probably be because of those "woke" aspects. So there you go. It's a self fulfilling prophecy of what happens when you go "woke", with an in-built exception that proves it's not the rule..... But in bizarro-world...

"I thought, My God, the genius of that."

 

I was born in 1969, so for 4 decades of my life, 99% of the programs I watched, the entire cast is white, that's where the word token came from, when you just had one minority in the show, the 80s, the Empire Strikes Back, LMFAO... haha, so from 1970s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s, 99% of content I watched everyone is white, and I never had an issue about that; for example, the tv show Friends and That 70s Show are 2 of my favorite tv shows, 99% of the people appearing on those 2 shows are white... the word woke came about just a few years ago, so is that fair??? WOKE isn't even a decade old, but 4 decades of my life, the majority of the people that appeared on my favorite shows and films are white and I never had an issue with that. The word woke is not even a decade old... its hilarious...

...woke was added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2017.

 

"Dad dancing" was added to the OED in 2013. I guess that means that nobody was embarrassed by their fathers dancing to popular music prior to the twenty first century, or something.

The accusations of woke and token are essentially the same. It implies some sort of dishonest or gratuitous intent from those it's directed at. But what it indicates is a person's discomfort with the idea that the coordinates that reassured them that their tastes and sensibilities are in the place that they need to be being unduly changed. And therefore their appreciation for it has to change. If it's "token" then it's inherently insincere and invalid and you are not obligated to give it the same consideration as you did to previous movies that honoured those co-ordinates. Woke was originally coined by people who discovered that certain issues and realities were not given due prominence in the mainstream narrative. It's inherently self-serving even if it is legitimately applicable to the epiphany they are experiencing (or want you to know that they have experienced). The trend for self identifying as woke was short lived. The trend for adopting woke to mock people and as a way to dismiss things or discourage honest discussion them has far outlived it and is partly sustained by people having to periodically point out that the material issues that "woke" covers (although it's rarely used by those that forced to defend it) are genuine and relevant.

The actual content, writing, and casting for shows that get drawn into the mudslinging is almost irrelevant ( see my anecdote about Villeneuve's "anti-woke" Dune). The controversy sustains itself like a black hole sucking in stars. The nature of the stars themselves doesn't matter. Being woke or anti-woke are personalities ( or pseudo-personalities), not positions. The movies are just the battlefields where some people choose to contest their personalities.

It's not all that special or unique. It's human nature, and not even linked to intelligence. Some of history's most famous scientists, in attempts to at least appear to have an understanding of the physical world, would invent "constants" that made their calculations work, despite there being no evidence of this constant's existence. The constant only existed to help support the scientists "instincts". They would reject theories that didn't employ or respect their constants until experimentation proved them to be correct and that their constant was immaterial and irrelevant.

 

What I have learned, is that diversity is neither a good, nor a bad thing by thing. It can be be good, if it does what it's supposed to - provides different perspectives and views on the world (like the original Star Trek, Squid game or Miss Marvel). It could be neutral, if the characters just happen to look a certain way without affecting anything (like Star Wars). And it could be a bad thing if forced into places where it shouldn't be (like Medieval fantasy or historical settings). Forced diversity isn't necessarily bad. It can work out really well, like in Lost in Space (2018). That's what I have learned.*

Now, the problem is that certain Youtube channels (we all know which ones) have essentially trained their audience to see any form of diversity as either some sort of radical left-wing political statement or a virtue signal to hide some incompetence. Sure, it does happen, but what these channels do is breed hatred towards things haven't come out yet. Like the Acolyte. It has diverse cast? Then it must be bad and deliberately made by KK to attack fans force down ESG out everything or whatever. I just got sick of this at some point.

*The argument about two other pillars of "wokeness" - strong women and LGBT+ is the same and interchangeable.

 

I'm not a dad... so, no one should be embarrassed... I'm just happy that GL loves minorities.

 

Is there even a lead character in this? I keep seeing those idiotic videos recommended and thumbnails of a black female character or a hooded woman with crazy hair. Are they confirmed to be lesbians or something? Even if so, the story won't be about just them and their love life. It's focused on all jedi, possible return of the sith and a who done it mystery! Which means the whole cast and characters will get to shine a bit and get focused on in some way. Trailer starts with a male jedi master talking and he seems to have a big role but still some people are dwelling on the diverse cast or female characters.

It's f'n annoying and stupid! Is the trailer seriously getting a a ton backlash and dislikes in general?

Fandoms can really suck and truly be toxic af! That's why I've become more casual and neutral about many things. On youtube, I dont read the comments because it's just a cesspool but since I watch videos from the official star wars channel and only star wars fan channels I care about (Star Wars Explained and Kyle Katarn)..I get a load of other videos and for every 5 excited and positive related videos, I get 10 extremely hateful and hyperbolic videos

 

Apparently, based on some YouTube stat things, The Acolyte trailer is by far the most down-voted/disliked/thumbs-downed SW trailer of all times.

Frail people can't handle a gay woman making a female-centric story which also includes POF and a transwoman castmembers. This fandom is (sometimes), as they say, F***ing pathetic.

 

Yes it is! It's insane how rapid homophobia, racism and xenophobia society can still be.

Reminds me of how recently a black female pro wrestler got racist hate and trashed so badly on social media because she's on the cover of a deluxe edition(which she shares with an austrialian woman) of a yearly wrestling game title and is featured in the trailer for about 2 seconds and is apparently a big name in wwe right now

 

Yeah, am also tired of all that negativity and hate around SW. Is the problem of these days, evryone has a visible opinion and word of hate and they haven't even seen it, alays prejudging. Comment sections everywhere is Disney this, KK that...
Sad sad world. Wasting time in things people don't like.