The Acolyte (news and discussions)

I am going to guess these 2 groups of women are the same group based off their similar look. I wonder if its some version of the Fallanassi who's technique Luke used at Crait.

 

She's supposed to a witch right? A good version of a Nightsister?

 

Supposedly, the Nightsisters are only one clan of Dathomir witches, so these galls could possibly be another clan from there. Or, they're witches of a completely different flavor and tradition.

 

Very curious. They also have a hint of the Path of the Open Hand. Any of my fellow THR geeks remember if there were any groups referred to as "witches" at the Convocation of the Force? It definitely makes sense these ladies are Force users...

 

Okay, just found this..
https://insidethemagic.net/2024/03/...e recently told That,show before it even airs.

Surely not!!!

 

That person is as reliable for Star Wars news as the cashier at your nearest 7/11. It's simply made up for clicks. You can blacklist that site. Anyone who is reporting anything that dude says isn't reliable either.

 

I know a guy who works in a staionery shop whose knowledge of Star Trek would blow your socks off!

 

Thanks for the heads-up. Guess i'll be sticking with Mike Zeroh for my Star Wars news.

 

I figured he had retired. In my mind, Zeroh is on a distant and desolate island with Meg and Theory just screaming nonsense and clickbaiting each other

 

I am surprised by all the internet hate the Acolyte gets, just for the woke agenda and what not, with weird stuff going around without anyone actually watching the show first.
I kinda get one of my friends, who told me: ''I see a colorful cast, but am afraid that after recent Disney outings, that's it''.
We'll see, this guy liked Ahsoka a lot, which had a diverse and interesting cast and it was actually a solid show with some hickups.
My only concern is, that while the show is bit overhyped with promos, I am afraid about the on-screen quality based on the little we've got through trailer, which reminds me of Obi-Wan.
That show has all the ingredients to be perfect, was hyped to oblivion and then it looked like on par and worse than some of the best fan movies around.

Obi-wan didn't had bad story itself, Hayden and Ewan were awesome, so was small Leia,but what killed it were some cheap effects, poor staging, some script to screen nonsense - and lot of that is because they needed to blow up something, that was originally meant for two hour movie.

I am still hyped for the show at this moment, cautiously. Can't wait for what's in store for Lee Jung Jae character after seeing the trailer and wasn't expecting the reveal at the end of the teaser. That really made me wonder, how much was shown or wasn't. Will the show be a small mystery crime thriller without much fighting and we got bits of those being in the teaser? Or is there a lot of surprises awaiting?

I also wonder about easter eggs and fan services as Headland is a huge fan, the kind of like us over the 30s, who were growing up on the old EU in the 90s.
Ahsoka was the most impressive in this sense, to bring ton of new and old things, that were compelling and interesting outside of always recycling the empire with star destroyers, tie fighters, stormtroopers etc.
Which is another reason for my hype, to get away from the movies timewise, as Disney managed to catch up with my recycling fatigue that I had as a kid, as Empire was defeated, but you always had to fight Stormtroopers with Kyle Katarn in all the games and everywhere.
It will be nice to see something with actual Sith (looking at the sequel trilogy), from different times, in different setting, with different designs for everything and hopefully, some few ships and things, that have survived till the prequels or maybe even in OG for that matter (something like Falcon in Solo and it's appearance in later movies, even if it does make only sense for selling new falcon toy after exploiting that ship far beyond her lifespan).

2 months, can't wait.

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I never had a huge problem with Theory, until that moment I had realized that he is like this old disgruntled fan, who basically just likes OG and everything else or original is stupid, so he throws his shade on it and his old EU look on the right Luke Skywalker, looking the same and fighting his power fantasy right into his 80s, which is the reason he cried watching Luke in S2 Mandalorian.
Which is booooring.
He had quite a good partner for the Ahsoka shows, which is the last time I saw him after trying to avoid him online and I remember, how funny it was, when his partner for the podcast predicted: "Imagine, that Ahsoka will die and will come back elevated, kind of like Gandalf..." Theory: ''No, they would never do that, letting her die would be stupid."
That made me laugh... and also a bit sad when I see the general discussions online, because imagine Disney shooting their productions on trends set up by menchildren instead of supporting their creatives to create actual new trends with interesting stories. The popular opinion online is that this toxic fanservice and surrender from the studio is what destroyed Ep. 9, even tho I believe that the background is more complicated.
Who love Episode 7, because it is basically a modernised Ep. 4 and they want the same boring stuff again, again and again.

They will get to play with Luuuuuke Skywalker at least, per the Black Series News, so there is always something for everybody

 

Spot on! Ironically, the story would have made a great feature film, especially with higher quality special effects. The way the showrunners force stretched it into a series was painfully obvious and hurt the overall product. It's a shame.

Maybe somebody has a way of gauging these things. But I think any negativity gets undoly highlighted in the media because of the political agenda behind it. This 'woke agenda' business is pure hogwash. Fans would be wise to cover your ears and wait for the show's premiere.

 

I'm just gonna put the last few nails I have into this coffin for the so-called "woke agenda". THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WOKE AGENDA. Being woke means you are aware of the injustices and discrimination that is faced by minorities. If woke people were to have any agenda, it would be to make more people aware. How is that a negative thing? It's not unless you are one of the oppressors. Right wing extremist politicians started misappropriation of the term woke to serve as a boogeyman to define people of color, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, Jews, Muslims... basically any group and their advocates that were working for acceptance, equity or even simply inclusion. One of the biggest rallying cries, especially in fandom, is that corporations like Disney are pushing a woke agenda by forcing representation of these groups into movies and shows, shoehorning women, queer people or POC into roles that should be filled by cis white males. It's a nonsense argument, disgusting, and shows the absolute worst of us as human beings.

Even IF there were an agenda to forcibly push minorities into roles, is that any worse than an agenda to intentionally exclude them from those roles? Because it could be argued that has been the standard for decades. For the purpose of this discussion, I'll limit it to Star Wars and Lucasfilm. We are blessed right now with a plethora of talented creators from numerous backgrounds. They are telling stories in this franchise that represent themselves. Not only are these representations long overdue and anticipated within those previously ignored communities, they are extremely valuable to all of us as they give us insight into those cultures from a familiar and loved perspective. For a franchise that has gotten so much mileage from the phrase "from a certain point of view..." It's insane that an overly-vocal minority of "fans " are willing to die on this hill. And it is 100% true what @Darth Derringer said: negativity is unduly highlighted. It doesn't seem to matter if the discussion is the US southern border or the casting for The Acolyte. The old saying rings true, the squeaky wheel gets the grease; except now it's more accurately, the hateful vitriol gets the likes and views. For me, the best way to fight it is to expose it and starve it. Call it what it is- bigotry, hate, ignorance and fear. We need to assign shame to accepting these things and at the same time provide a positive and welcoming alternative. SWNN and the Cantina are such a place, SW Explained and ForceCenter as well, but there are many that trade in the hate speech and bask in the drama that accompanies it. As the true fans of the GFAA, we must feed the positive influencers in our community and starve out the negative. We alone are responsible for what is in our house. As I commented in an earlier post, there are several influencers that I truly had dismissed as even existing because I have purged them from my life. If more people did the same, IT WILL HAVE IMPACT. These people only have platform because of us. We gave it to them and dammit, we can take it away.

 

I respectfully agree with your post and honestly, I do hope that all that hate around the internet is just the most vocal minority, as more mature people don't have to post out of negative feelings or shout simple things at the clouds.

As you kinda implied yourself in the post, this ''woke agenda'' term, which I am using to label people's opinions, who have superficial issues with culture and media, is a double feature.
Studios doing checkmarks so they can can cater to the public in the same superficial ways and basically proving some of the points to the haters.
I have never wrapped my head around Disney shooting Mulan close to the concentration camps and catering to Chinese public with diminishing Finn on posters, which combined with John Boyega statements actually evolved the narrative into: ''Yeah, they have cast a good actor of color and then mishanded and diminished his role, didn't do justice to the character.''
And some of my friends, who live in the homogenic country of Czech Republic and still, their closest contact with different cultures is through cinema, if they don't have any expat or real life encounters. In which case, they see the culture debates and the stories of actors,with debates being more about culture appropriation etc. and getting bad show or movie in a result, which makes them go: ''OK, so they have ticked all the boxes for a good public image and all public, minorities and everyone, while the product itself sucks and it's pretty much for nobody.'' Which I guess is fair and with less mature people, makes it really hard to into discussions.
Because when that's the case, they are actually right in a sense.

I am also living in a bubble with cool and nice people, but sometimes, I have to get out and I am seriously surprised about people opinions sometimes, but also, I have to face them from time to time, because living in a bubble takes me only so far
And again, is the reason, why the reactions to the Acolyte surprised me, to say at least.

I seriously hope the show is good and that it will make everyone justice and to see the haters fail. I have read yesterday about that dislike hoax for the trailer and I would love to have so much time on my hands to support hobbies fueled just by negativity. I am trying not to judge, but that's quite sad endeavor.

 

That's nothing more than a narrative that's attractive to some people.

 

To move on to the more nerdy "controversy" of the trailer. It's being said that The Acolyte is retconning Ki Adi Mundi's statement in Phantom Menace about the Sith being extinct for a millennia, yet here we are 100 years prior with a gaggle of Jedi facing off against a Sith.

I'm finding this a non-starter at this time, because we have like, 2.7 seconds of a red lightsaber. That's all. But since we are all in the business of speculation, what do you think? Is this a Sith? Were members of the Council covering something up in TPM?

 

Ploh Koon's words were problematic the moment he said them. Since he was fundamentally wrong about the impossibility of the Sith returning from "extinction" without the Jedi knowing, how can anything else he said about them be trusted?

 

The problem with making prequels is that often your hands are tied by 'canon'. For example, Rogue 1 gave us a great list of heroes, but ALL of them had to die otherwise their presence would have completely altered the OT.

Bit like the Terminator films, methinks!

 

As long as the Jedi as a whole doesn't learn of the sneaky Sith stalking the shadows, nothing is being changed/rectoned in "canon".

 

The story was the issue. Much of it is just a retread of the Revenge of the Sith. We didn't need another confrontation between Vader and Obi-Wan. I recently rewatched it and I think it looked great. This biggest issue is what you point out, the staging. Leia running from the kidnappers is really bad. There are a few other set pieces that didn't look good. It was shot during COVID so I suspect there were limitations because of that.

 

I think dead Jedi tell no tales. It is possible that all the Jedi in the scene where they get Force blasted, die. Why wouldn't the Jedi know about this massacre and it's root cause of a Sith? Cover-up or plausible story of how they all were killed. Maybe they are in a dangerous area of space for navigation, a good hiding place for a Sith.
Six million ways to die, choose one and I'll cover it up.