The biggest problem with TFA was...

ROTJ also had battle of endor 3. i guess TFA has jedi steps but that theme is so weak compared to the rest of the movies.

 

Time will come and you'll may change your position.

 

It's like then you're liked movie, you can close your eyes on many mistakes, big or small. But, there is always but. If you really didn't liked movie you can destroy it even it's a decent one.

 

Rey's inexplicable force leaps are almost as bad as a Legion of the Emperor's most powerful troops being outmatched by a gang of teddy bears who've barely surpassed the bronze age. OK, OK, its the force AWAKENS, not the force EMERGES, but whats so wrong with telling us shes been trained? All this reasoning as to her leaps needs to be done hypothetically and in hindsight to the point that it hurt the movie's initial experience. Why make the fact that shes had training such a mystery.. for mystery's sake?

 

Why do I get the feeling you would not see the difference between the ATOC 1080p (!) source footage and the beautiful 35mm footage of this film if I screened them side by side for you?
Go and check the color grading *hackjob* Lucas ordered on the special editions and compare the color timing to the original prints.
Your Avatar's lightsaber actually used to be *red* once.

TFA is by far the best photographed Star Wars film out of all 7 on technical terms and thankfully completely avoids the teal-pushing, reality distorting trends of todays cinema.
I would argue that ESB is a tad better lit though.

 

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The absolute worst thing was how the original characters completely regressed.

Han went completely backwards. Luke is basically a coward.

I get it, something terrible happened.

But our old heroes just gave up???

Depressing

 

Rey was a bit of a walking deus ex machina, and some pacing issues, but these seem less important on second viewings.

 

So what was DV supposed to be as a boy to you?

Silent strong with no personality right???

He was supposed to be a Darth Vader as a child instead of seeing an INCREDIBLE transformation from Hero to Villan, right?

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Exactly. People are defending the poor writing. What did Yoda say to Luke "A jedi must hold the deepest commitment. The most serious mind."

Did these people even appreciate the art of Star Wars? Defending this travesty?

 

Han came full circle, from a self-interested cynic to a true believer who sacrificed himself.

Luke left, presumably, to protect those he cared about after an immense failure. But we should all reserve judgement on his motivations until they're known.

Leia, who you failed to mention, became a general, even when the government she fought to create failed to (directly) support her.

And in the end, Luke is called back into the events of galactic history. All of the Original Three did exactly the opposite of giving up.

 

The biggest problem with TFA is that JJ, Lawrence, & George have matured and want to serve Caviar, Quail's eggs, & Foie Gras...

And the masses (including fanboys) want to consume

....

A $5 Little Caesars hot & ready pizza

 

This is friendly, nice attitude, respect. (not many people write/say that they are wrong nowadays)

He admitted that he was wrong, there is no need to ridicule him.

 

Nothing wrong with the film. It was the almost impossible expectations that we, as fans, collectively set. Let's be honest. For most people, this film was NEVER gonna be as good as TESB. That's nearly impossible.

Do good (even great) movies never have plot holes? NO. Matter of fact, the only movies I can think of with no real plot hole is The Godfather 1 and 2. Yes, this movie had more than a couple plot holes for people who want answers NOW. But remember, this is a Trilogy. What didn't get answered this year may very well get answered in 2017 and 2019. Only then can we look back and judge truly how good (or bad in your opinion) this flick was.

 

Are you kidding?

Han is a worse person than the guy we met in '77. His son turned evil, but he knows he's alive. He knows Luke is alive.

What does he do? Starts hauling zoo animals.

He is pathetic when we find him in this movie. He didn't do everything he could to save his son. He didn't go off and try to find Luke. He didn't go off to try and learn more about the dark side. He didn't try and hunt down Snoke. He just...gave up. The academy is sacked, and he starts smuggling again. What an uplifting story. What a hero.

"b b but he's been through a lot!"

Um, isn't that what heroes do? Han learned to me unselfish and care. But, he just runs when his son turns????

Oh now he's a believer?? So he advanced as a character because he said "it's true, all of it"

Okay, Han...what have you been doing the last 10-20 years to save your son? To help? Oh, you been smuggling space tigers? Uh, cool? Look how far you've come?

I get it he died and it was sad and before that it was cool to see him in the vest. But he basically gave up when his son turned. How is that the Han we left in ROTJ??


Luke? Our powerful foce using hero from the OT, sat on that planet and let Han die, let planets get destroyed, potentially let Leia die, etc. The Luke who learned the importance of friendship, family, sacrifice, and compassion...chillin like a villain on an island. Good luck Han, Leia, Ben, etc.

Because he feels, responsible?? Does he feel less responsible now that Han and billions of others are dead?? Go JJ!!!

***Now, in another thread someone said perhaps Luke scared himself with being tempted by the darkside. While I think this is the only acceptable reason now for him to be chillin on Jedi Island, it still undoes his arc in the OT. He already passed the darkside test. So again, our original characters were mishandled.

Okay, Leia is a general. Is that all a character is, their rank? She does nothing in this movie but stare at a screen, send Han to die, and spout out plot information that JJ had no other way to get out to the audience. She doesn't even go with Han to talk to Ben. Thanks Mom? No problem facing down Vader, Tarkin, etc...but you can't hand the reigns to Akbar for your son? Go JJ!!!

Once the hype dies down, the sugar leaves the system, and groupthink fades I think more people will realize this movie sh!t on the big three in a pretty terrible way.

You could have had them deeply hurt, seperated, etc...but still heroic and not so...cowardly.

Cmon, you guys really think these were the heroes from the OT?

 

Movies should not have plot holes. If you can only think of one movie without one you need to get off the dope. In fact most movies don't have any. They are paid big money to film, watch and analyze the final film to make sure of it. Anything else is pure laziness, disrespect for your job, or not giving a crap. Nothing else.

 

Uh, ANY movie can be picked apart. There are always plot holes. Especially in action movies. If you can't find the plot holes then it is you who needs to lay off the dope.

 

Again, the film is EXPRESSIVE, an (Acquired Taste)...

Hamlet aged nearly 10 years in a single play ,(without any explanation), and Shakespeare didn't give a damn.

If you are nitpicking TFA for insignificant plot holes then I'm sorry, but the film clearly sailed directly over your head.

 

Maybe we have a different idea of plot holes? Plot holes to me are scenes that are fact that contradict a past scene. Such as in Seinfeld Susan dies then later episodes Susan appears. But they wrote that off as it was a comedy sitcom anyway. Theories and opinions are not plot holes. Cannon fact that contradicts a story line is.

So... do we have the same understanding of what a plot hole is?