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The Boy at the End of the Hallway

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by FN NewGuy, Feb 27, 2016.

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Who is the boy?

  1. Ben Solo

  2. Finn

  3. Anakin

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    Luke. Don't know how this is even a debate. I thought it was just common knowledge from what we've learned...:confused:
     
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    Do you have the actual quote? If he did say that then he is BSing us or the idea changed and he is trying to cover it. Kylo already knows she has the Force by then. He specifically tells Snoke that she has the Force but needs training. "Completely untrained, but strong with the Force. Stronger than she knows.”
    The line makes no sense if he is just then confirming she has been awakened to the Force. He already knows this and needs no confirmation. Also, after he says "It is you." there is this: "His words unsettled her: Not for the first time, he seemed to know more about her than she did about herself." She already knows she has been "awakened" to the Force (and that Kylo knows since she got into his head and messed with him) so this isn't a shocking revelation to her. This is clearly meant to be another hint that he knows who she really is while she doesn't. The recent Rey book apparently confirms that she doesn't remember anything before Jakku, including who her family is.
    Earlier, when he is probing her mind, he saw something of interest (in the novel) just before she broke into his mind. I think this is when he realized who she may be and it is confirmed when she takes the saber.
     
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    Also remember, Vader said - "He's just a boy..." & was referring to Luke when Vader was talking to the Emperor about Luke being a threat to them.
     
    #43 Mugsysam, Mar 5, 2016
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    It would be unwise to be too literal with a force vision. The saber has a history and in it, she is seeing and hearing both Luke and her own life moments both future and past. The saber is a connection between the two of them. It could be a literal, family connection or a symbolic connection. Either way, the purpose of the force vision is to point out that connection and give her the impetus to initially refuse the quest as she realizes she must go to Luke.

    The bigger question is why would she refuse to go to Luke, when its obvious she knows that is what she must do, following the vision and talking with Maz. I argue its at this moment she "remembers" and whether she realizes at that moment she's Luke's daughter OR she realizes that she has a burden on herself that she does not want is to be determined. This is the moment where she starts to allow the Force to flow through her; she's taken her first step into a larger world. It's her "awakening."
     
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    This theory's been discredited. Rey was left on Jakku by a woman, if we're going by the vocabulary used in the novel. Rey and Maz's dialogue also makes it clear that Rey is waiting on multiple people, not a single person.

    Ben Solo did not leave Rey on Jakku, she was left there ages before he even became Kylo Ren. Rey was left on the planet 15 years before TFA, while Kylo Ren ruined everything 6 years before TFA (if the details on Bloodlines are of any indication).
     
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    Q: will the line "What girl?!" have any deeper when Rey's parentage is finally revealed or is it an in error with the script?
    PH: An error? Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

    Q: one last thing (sorry).. people regularly using the words "dropped off" on Jakku about Rey. Presuming too much? "Left" better?
    PH: "Abandoned" seems to fit best if that vision is any indicator.

    Q: But didn't they say they were coming back? Was the abandonment unintentional then?
    PH: did they say so or did Rey hope so?

    Q: A voice says so in the novelization ("I'll come back, sweetheart."), I guess she could've imagined it...?
    PH: she seemed very young. But I guess we'll find out in time.

    Q: in the book "Rey's Story" she claims to have no memory of her parents or why she's in Jakku. could she have been mind wiped?
    PH: Or just have been young. And repressing. Several options there.

    continued...
     
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    Luke or Anakin but most likely Luke
     
    #47 Anberlin357, Apr 14, 2016
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    The plot thickens!...?
     
    #49 Pomojema, May 11, 2016
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    I wonder if that's a confirmation or not ? ...probably not.
     
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    Luke was 22 or something like that when he fought Vader at Bespin. No matter what Vader, Yoda, Ben referred to him, from Rey's perspective she'd have been looking at a man if it was Bespin Luke, and Luke as a child makes no sense. Has to be Anakin.
     
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    In this video, the editor of TFA says that in Rey's original flashback, she was going to run down the Bespin hallway where she would see Luke fighting Vader, then she'd see the young boy, along with a rough version of Snoke. It seems that she was seeing Ben's seduction.
     
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    That wouldn't have been in the same part of the flashback sequence, right? Just both being different parts of the flashback? ?
     
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    Well, she would've seen this happening at the end of the hallway. I'm not sure if you deem that a 'different part' or what, but that's what it was supposed to be.
     
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    L

    Nice share thanks.
     
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    Everything warps together, changing location and time constantly. Based on the production schedule leaks from MF, other flashback sequences that got cut in the editing bay include...
    • The infamous floating hand opening and the retrieval of Anakin's lightsaber.
    • Anakin's lightsaber passing through multiple hands over about thirty years in a montage.
    • A scene where Luke, Han, and Leia are all present in the same moment, handing Ben over for Jedi training.
    • Ben being trained by Luke, then later betraying everyone and joining the KOR.
    • Maz explicitly stealing Anakin's lightsaber from the KOR.
    I'm guessing that the stuff with Ben Solo was probably cut because he may have been "too young" or something (and it also would have kept him from being the founder of the KOR, which is something important as far as Pablo Hidalgo's statements go). Which was a good call to make, considering that it's just been established by Bloodline that he didn't turn until at least half a decade before the events of The Force Awakens.
     
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    Wait so they filmed ALL OF THAT to include in the thing ?
     
    #57 AstromechRecords, May 18, 2016
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    Are you saying that Kylo founded the KoR? Because Adam Driver and Pablo Hidalgo have been pretty clear that he didn't.
     
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    They might not have filmed all of it, but they planned to at one point or another. I personally suspect that it was the reason why Mark Hamill kept his beard grown, as that one scene would have required the presence of both Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher, and he would need the beard to stay consistent with his character's physical appearance.
    Did he confirm that? ...Huh.

    All I know for certain is that he's the master of the organization, and that (as far as we know) it's only been active in the years following Return Of The Jedi.
     
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    From an Adam Driver interview:

    So who are the Knights of Ren?

    "It was a group that existed before him, that he was a part of. Their place within everything is maybe more of a satellite group than I would say ... This is really tricky."

    Is that why everything that you have is a bit broken down?

    "No, there's definitely a history that you see in the costume of things in the past right away. They're kind of like visible scars, on his outfit. In part to intimidate but also because he's carrying along this history of people."

    I find it interesting that Adam says Kylo was a part of the KoR. Makes it sound like something happened to the KoR.
     
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