SPECULATION The burning temple is in the future

Good theory, but i still think that burning temple is part of the flashback Academy. I think the First Jedi Temple is the tree on Ahch-To.

But it is possible that Kylo beats Luke in Ahch-To and Rey thinks he has died. Then Kylo go to Snoke with Rey.

 

Luke laying in the rain is part of Rey's training not with Kylo and the KoR.

We have no idea where Kylo is with the burning embers coming down. Could be anywhere.

In the forceback you can clearly see Luke and R2 aren't on Ahch-To.

Kylo holding out his hand is not even in the same place as Rey.

 

That scene with Kylo holding out his hand could be a "flashback" scene of some sort; not that Kylo and Rey possibly teaming up it's possible.

 

That scene is not a flashback, Kylo has his scar.

 

mmm..good point, but could be a recent one. Just speculating.

 

I think the force tree is the source of the flames behind Kylo.

The first Jedi temple would and should look very primitive. The one building in the flashback scene looks to modern.

The real twist about the burning temple could be that Luke is burning it, not Kylo.

Spoiler

Jason Ward: "When I saw this stuff originally, the way I heard that it goes down is that Rey has the saber in a bag and they’re out there training in some way. She gets mad. She uses the force, outstretches her hand, the saber flies through the air, she grabs it and she ignites it but she is also moving pillars around. She knocks him down and she’s also moving pillars like she’s about to like hit Luke with the pillars. And then he’s like, “Oh, this is not gonna be what you think!”.

It can't be an Ahch-To because of the terrain. Furthermore there are lying several dead corpses.

 

1. Because according to MSW trailer breakdown podcast he talks about footage from Rey and Luke training in the rain.

I don't normally listen to their podcasts or even go to MSW, but was interested in anyone's breakdown of the trailer.

 

its a great theory and i would love it to be true as it would mean the story is not going to be as straight forward and obvious as it seems right now. but i still think its a flash back.

 

The First Jedi Temple on Ahch-To is the tree. Is where the books are in. The rest of buildings on Ahch-To are huts. Also, the ground in TFA flashback is different. The burning temple is de Jedi Academy.

The flames in Kylo scenes maybe could be on Crait or Ahch-To, but he has the scar so it can't be part of the flashback.

 

I see that happening.

Great speculation!

 

In the TFA forceback scene there were dead bodies. A gentleman in the same outfit as Constable Zuvio was killed in the same scene*. Those people are not on Ach-To. From what we know, Luke has exiled himself and only has the company of Force Nuns and Porgs.

It's a good theory, with some excellent out of the box thinking, but I believe there is too much evidence that goes against it.

*On a side note I still believe that was supposed to be Zuvio but they didn't finish the CGI for his face.

 

But we don't know the rules of forcebacks. My first thought on watching the trailer was that Kylo (now) is appearing in Rey's forceback vision of the past and offering to explain things to her. Might explain why Rey reacts so dramatically afterwards.

 

Actually, I think that's more likely to be a member of the Clan of the Toribota, one of which - Omisha Joyo - we saw in Rogue One last year.



Other than the round dish-like helm, the inclusion of the naming of the group - the Clan of Toribota - links in directly with how the character killed in Rey's Forceback sequence is referred to as a 'Clan Leader' in the script for The Force Awakens.

Furthermore, the visual encyclopaedia for Rogue One has this to say: The Clan of the Toribota is a nomadic enclave native to Isde Naha, a world on the trailing edge of the Western Reaches. Astronomical conjecture pointed them towards the moon of Jedha, believing the star in the system to be the first one glimpsed by their early ancestors.

The Western Reaches lines up with Jakku's side of the galactic map, sure, but even more telling is the proximity from Jedha to Jakku being astonishingly small:



So, in closing, I actually think that when we saw Kylo and the Knights of Ren in Rey's Forceback vision, what we're seeing is the slaughter of the Clan of Toribota on Jedha or Isde Naha - perhaps they knew Lor San Tekka's whereabouts, and were one of Kylo's last stops on the way to Jakku - and not the slaughter of Luke's Academy, which would consequently only then be depicted in the shots we've seen of his hand emerging from the rubble, him seeing the burning Temple, and him kneeling down, seemingly in despair, as he puts his hand on R2.

 

Besides from the alleged burning footage in the Forceback visions, has any other source ever stated that Luke's Jedi Academy was burned up?

 

It is also heavily implied by the script of The Force Awakens that footage of the Temple being burned was cut from the final film, and was originally to be shown to us:

She turns to look -- we PIVOT -- and see a BURNING TEMPLE AT NIGHT. We PAN to:

R2-D2 -- who watches the flames -- and a MAN appears (LUKE, whose face we do not see). He falls to his knees, reaches out to the droid -- with a MECHANICAL RIGHT HAND.

The likelihood of Luke using a Temple to house his Academy is pretty likely, in my books.

Of course, this doesn't go any way towards confirming that Luke's Academy was burned down, but I think, at the very least, it's very heavily implied by both the Forceback scene, what we've seen in the trailers for The Last Jedi, and the script for TFA that his Academy went up in flames.

 

I agree that it sounds very likely, although I must say that the inclusion of "Temple" instead of "Academy" in the script for TFA opens up some possibilities that makes the OP's theory sound not so bad after all.

 

I have the same impresion, and i think it is related with that scene from the teaser trailer where Rey is runing , with her lightsaber ignited, i think that's not jedi training,she's running to help Luke.

 

It was confirmed by Hidalgo.
Luke founded a Temple and there he used to train the young Jedi.
That Temple was burned.
IIn other words, no "Academy" in the new canon.