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SPECULATION The burning temple is in the future

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Ree Yees, Oct 15, 2017.

  1. Julius Fett

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    Perhaps I can't speak to everyone here, but I know that I was personally using the term "academy" in a different sense to how you imply, whereby the Temple was one of the Academy's locations/institutions, if you will, in a similar manner to how a university can comprise of multiple colleges, museums, etc; I wasn't using the term "academy" to refer to the Temple itself, by any means, and I certainly think that a Temple used to train young Jedi could be argued to be an Academy as interchangeably as any other institutional term would imply, such as a school, class, etc.

    I'm not quite sure what you're trying to clarify from my words, but I think there might have been a slight misunderstanding, in which case I apologise for not being more transparent in my choice of words.
     
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    I was just trying to say that you're right...
    Luke trained his pupils inside that temple.

    So yes, in this sense: the temple "hosted" an academy.

    And I believe Pablo specified that (there was not Academy - as a place - but a Temple) just to prevent people from speculate
    that there may have been 2 different places/institutions, thus two (or more) separet events.

    I guess I have to apologise for not being clear ;)
     
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    Some great thoughts OP! I have no clue which direction this movie will go but i have no problems with this theory at all.
     
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    Remember that in the forceback we see the temple in the background when the Knights of Ren are in the rain. A flash of lightning illuiminates/silhouettes it.
     
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    IIRC this hasn't really been elaborated upon by anyone, so it could just as likely be a Temple on Jedha or Jabba's Palace as it could be the Temple seen in the trailers for The Last Jedi.
     
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    Doesn't look like a temple at all. More like a tower or antenna
     
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    I had the same thoughts about a vision of the future. We won't know for two more months but it's not like Rian hasn't used time as a plot twist before.
     
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    This makes sense to me. In Rey's vision there is something in the background that is, for a split second, illuminated by the lightning. It has an outline similar to that of the Force Tree seen in the TLJ trailer but could also be a ship. Perhaps the KOR have been visiting several old temples in hopes of finding Luke after learning he was not killed in the destruction of Luke's temple.
     
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    This is very clever. A vision of the future definitely isn't without precedent in this franchise. Luke had visions of Han and Leia in Ep. 5. Anakin had visions of his mother and Padme in Episodes 2 and 3. I think you're onto something here.
     
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    The first Jedi temple is on Ahch-To, but Luke has not found it yet. Rey is the key to opening it which is why the force guided her to Luke. This explains her sudden awakening and force abilities. The temple is hidden inside the island. That's what we're seeing when the stones are cracking in the trailer. Luke's expression is like "ah ha!". Similarly to how Kanan and Ezra opened the Jedi temple on Lothal.

    The temple burning in the forceback vision was not used for Jedi training. It's a "secret" temple that Luke, Ben, and Lor San Tekka used to store the Jedi and Sith artifacts they uncovered over the years. Hence why we see a burned/charred book of the Whills in the first trailer. It is one of the few books Luke recovered. I believe Kylo Ren burned this temple in the forceback vision, and the raining shots with the Knights of Ren is a future event showing them slaughtering the "Care Takers" on Ahch-To before finding Luke and Rey.

    I don't think Luke leaves Ahch-To in EP8 and my personal hunch is because the Jedi Academy is somewhere on Ahch-To live and well. This goes unnoticed until the end of the film. Rey leaves the island without Luke informing her because he senses a great deal of darkness in her.
     
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    I wonder what caused the fire.
     
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    Maybe some tie fighters shot it and the fire started right after.
     
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    Yeah maybe I now remember the Jakku escape, alot of firy shots.
     
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    Thanks for indulging me, folks, whether you thought I had some fun ideas or not. Some posts here definitely have me reconsidering, but I personally think it would be a neat idea and so I can’t just let go with the ease, say, Padmé would have.

    Could be a) laserfire from TIE Fighters/Kylo’s Silencer b) maybe Kylo brings flamethrower troopers (there is precedent; he brought them to Jakku), c) Lightsaber duel -> angry slashing -> stuff catches fire, d) Luke blows it up to prevent Kylo from learning anything from it, e) It’s misdirection and is actually just a dinner by candlelight where Luke shows Rey how to make pears float toward your mouth for added pleasure.

    Thank you! I didn’t even think of that - it’s another (small) detail that goes toward supporting the idea. (Sidenote: I much prefer Luke’s scene where we don’t get to see «inside» the visionary’s mind; the Forceback scene was still cool because it was fast, vivid and «half real»...but Anakin’s visions in AOTC/ROTS make me want to cry.. they are the perfect example of how creatively bankrupt Lucas was (beyond the very creative broad strokes).

    Great post - for a poolshark :p No seriously, reading it I was like, «But...but..my theory...» but this makes a lot of sense. Simpler but definitely what we see in the trailers. To add, there is the shot of Luke’s gloved hand caressing one of the books as if it is the first time he sees it.

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    Some part of me is desperate (bear with me, here comes something you’re tired of seeing) to avoid similarities to The Empire Strikes Back as much as possible, and maybe that’s why I prefer the visions of the burning temple to be the future Rey saw; Rey entering the Force Tree of Much Mystique does so remind me of Luke entering the Force Cave of Similarly Mysterious Mystique. But wait, don’t shoot me down just yet - because, you know what, there’s a lot of stuff that seems eerily similar to Empire. Not 100% copy no, but there are elements as derivative as those we got in The Force Awakens.

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    "Even though it seems like it's the future, it's actually a long, long time ago." :p

    Kidding, actually this is a pretty interesting theory. I think we could definitely see some pay off from it if it's some pivotal moment in Luke's story.
     
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    I have one more point to make on this "theory" or whatever you wanna call it:

    We see R2-D2 together with Luke Skywalker watching that buildling burn. But wait a minute - in TFA we have R2-D2 on D'Qar, with the Resistance!
    Think about it
     
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    Thought about it. Isn't the official line that one of Luke's pupils burned down and destroyed his training school in the temple along with his other pupils, so Luke sent R2 back to the Resistance while he shipped off to find the first Jedi temple? It certainly isn't proof that the vision is in the future.
     
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    Proof, no. But how would R2 get off the planet? The X-Wing is submerged.
     
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    The burning Temple could just as easily be on any other planet in the galaxy.

    Luke left to find the first Jedi Temple - which, as we know, is, supposedly, on Ahch-To - meaning that he couldn’t have already been on the planet when stuff went down with that burning Temple, if we are to take it as depicting the destruction of Luke’s attempt at recreating his new Jedi Order.

    Not to mention that, though BB-8 had the missing part of the galaxy map, R2 was still in possession of the rest of the map.

    The general consensus is that Luke must have left R2 with the Resistance (so that when they found Lor San Tekka and the missing map piece that he could be found), given LST the missing map piece, and made his way around the galaxy to Ahch-To. Once he found the planet that he believed the first Temple to be on, he downed his X-Wing; I think it’s fairly obvious from his sunken X-Wing that he wasn’t planning on returning to the known galaxy anytime soon.
     
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