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SPOILER The camera pans down from scroll to an infinity of stars, overhead....

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Kyle, Oct 17, 2014.

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    Well I understand why they would move away from the lightsaber opening, personally I liked it even if the majority of fans didn't. But I do have to alter my general plot theory, mostly because Kyle suggests that Ridley was Skywalker's apprentice for a time, something I doubted
     
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    The planet isnt tattoine

    It's Lothal
     
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    I'm not sure why there is so much hate for the light saber falling through space. There a any number of reasons I can think of that it could be rationalized.

    Spoilers on the attached hand are a bit wishy washy, but no one ever said anything about a flesh hand. It could be Luke's mechanical arm with the skin burned off (which could lend credence to the spoilers of no main character being a cyborg if luke lost his arm completely) or even a skeletal hand clinging to a saber (which I think would go very well with the ruins of the AT-ATs and star destroyers that litter the planet. These are the skeletal remains of the OT. that world is now dead)

    But outside of that and my earlier mention that re-entry burn only has an impact of the saber is traveling at high velocity (which it may or may not be) there are other possibilities. Some spoilers have mentioned the saber being in a case which could protect it. But beyond that, its possible that the saber itself is heat shielded. I mean, a lit saber is essentially contained super heated light. And I've never seen any Jedi complaining of burn blisters on his hands after a long duel, so it would stand to reason that the saber casing itself is shielded in that way.

    Not saying this proves anything about floating sabers, but I don't see why there aren't any number of reasons it could work scientifically. But even if it didn't, I mean this is a universe where people can walk on asteroids in space with a plastic air mask and be fine. So, I'm not sure I would care either way.

    *Note: @Darth Pimp. You referenced the gravity well as being proof that the saber would be traveling fast enough to burn on re-entry. But, if I understood the OP correctly, that portion was just speculation on the part of @Kyle . Again, perhaps I was misinterpreting that.
     
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    I've been thinking about the film's opening scene quite a bit since since the latest leak of concept art.

    This is not what I know (I know nothing), or even think, will happen. This is just my imagination at play, and my senses longing for the feeling the opening images from ANH burned into my mind way back in 1977, at the the ripe old age of 8...

    So...

    The crawl fades into the distance, as does John Williams familiar and magnificent score. The camera pans down to a desert planet. The score comes back in a new booming way that we've not heard before, and over our heads comes a new but recognizable type of TIE Fighter shrieking and hauling butt. And then, in pursuit, we see an updated, yet recognizable type of HUGE Star Destroyer (perhaps an interdictor cruiser) that flies overhead, firing on the fleeing TIE. The TIE takes some serious hits, and begins to spiral down towards the planet, making a sound much like that of the out of control TIE that goes into a roll and crashes in the asteroid field of ESB.

    Instead of a fatal impact, the pilot manages to gain enough control to crash land on the surface, as seen in the concept art. The pilot survives. With one wing broken off, and the ship laying skewed in the sand, an emergency hatch blows. Then, out crawls a new kind of Imperial Stormtrooper/Pilot. Our pilot, banged up, but basically OK, removes his helmet, and we see the face of our first new character, played by John Boyega. Boyega then looks up, and sees the Star Destroyer high up in the atmosphere, it's not going anywhere. He knows they will be coming for him. Our pilot, concerned yet determined, then looks down with a curious glance, and sees a shiny cylindrical object before him in the sand. He bends down, picks it up, and looks at it, not quite sure what it is. Perhaps it's a weapon of some sort? Boyega then looks off into the distance, and the opening sequence comes to a close. The screen dissolves into the next scene...

    My concept for this sequence, is first and foremost, to visually blow away the audience. Second, is the idea that instead of an Imperial ship chasing the ship of an adversary, they are chasing one of their own. Why is the Empire trying to kill one of it's own? Who is this pilot, and what did he do to cause his comrades to try to shoot him down? And, what is this relic he's found laying in the sand? What is it exactly, and who does it belong to?

    The opening sequence has no dialog. It's all visual storytelling. It's simple, yet spectacular. These opening mysteries are questions that require answers. Answers that will come as our story progresses.

    This is just my imagination, but I think this would be a stunning and compelling way to get things started.
     
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    Love this idea, got a feeling it will be the predictable pan to star destroyer shot, but you never know.
     
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    I think Boyega, and potentially a wayward band, attack the Star Destroyer... this is what Ridley sees explode overhead

    I think the lightsaber is lost during the fight... but not by Boyega
     
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    Ah good job putting these two scenes together. I didn't think of it that way.
     
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    Not saying I like the saber idea but, if a certain jedi with immense power wanted something to survive re-entry.... and reach a specific location.... that doesn't seem too far out. Force bubbles... enchanting etc... (only rational explanation I could ever think of for that.) Everybody keeps talking physics! ... this is magic... not science... Space fantasy not science fiction..
     
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    I think for Episode 7 the saber/hand version of the opening would be too small scaled. I think when Star Wars returns to the big screen after a rather long absence and especially as it is considered to be a new hope by many after the prequels were disliked by a lot of people it should open with a very impressive picture. The damaged Star Destroyer sounds amazing to me!!
     
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    I don't think Boyega is the reason the star destroyer will be heavily damaged, I think we see his change of heart in the first couple scenes.

    I'm hesitant to say that the exploding star destroyer is the "exploding thing in the sky" outside of the cantina because Harrison Ford is in that scene and I don't think he will be in the film that early on.

    I can accept Boyega being the one with the lightsaber, but I really had my heart on our little blue friend finding it
     
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    Yes I'm aware that it's speculation on the OP's part, but that doesn't matter to me :cool:. It would simply be silly on JJ's part to try to convince an audience that an object as small as a lightsaber (and/or a hand attached to it- flesh or metallic) could withstand the pressure and heat of re-entry and be able to land recognizably intact :p. It doesn't matter that this would be occurring in a sci-fi GFFA- general physics are still general physics ;). "Special physics" (<---the kind that require a willing suspension of disbelief as it relates to a sci-fi movie; i.e.: Force lightening) is an entirely different thing, and doesn't apply to this particular scenario imho.

    If a lightsaber falls to the ground from out of the sky, but from WITHIN the atmosphere, I'll buy it. Falling from space to the surface of a planet, no dice :mad:.
     
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    Unless it has a force bubble around it or external influence/concentration/control of it on purpose :) lol
     
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    Hey now, I never liked the idea of a hand falling from space to begin with... I am kinda glad they are looking for other avenues to explain this... let's stop trying to figure out how they could and be glad they aren't...

    I'm trying to spend nickles here, stop saving pennies!
     
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    LOL I didn't say I LIKED it!.... but that's the only rational explanation I could ever think of... if this unfortunately comes to be true. Here's hoping it's not I'm fine with the new 'Kyle' intro... (star destroyer)
     
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    That would be awesome indeed!
     
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    The hand was a fake rumor to begin with
     
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    I don't think it was necessarily all fake... like most rumors, I think there was probably some truth to it, in that the cyborg Luke hand is going to play into this, and I think the lightsaber is going to find its way into the desert... it was probably true when said, but by the time it was overheard, relayed, posted and explained it had suffered a bad case of Chinese whisper syndrom
     
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    def agree - if the hand/lightsaber idea is not being used, then there probably is some truth to it.. somewhere.

    its hard enough trying to guess this stuff from the tidbits we've seen.. add to that JJ's level of secrecy, the fact that there was a different draft before he came in and the chinese whisper effect.. makes our task here really tough lol

    @Kyle love your post mate. whether i like the idea or agree with you.. it's a cracking read!
     
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    Exactly.
    However you try to justify it, object falling from outer space conjures up just one image, and that is of something burning up as it passes through the atmosphere. Even if it survives that, the impact isn't going to do it much good.
    I've just never got the "lightsaber in space" intro thing - Luke's blue saber was not even lost in outer space, it was lost above Bespin, inside Bespin's atmosphere. And his green ROTJ one wasn't unaccounted for at the end of the last movie, so it's just a bit of a weird idea to open the next one with it floating around in space.
    Just all always seemed a bit naff to me.

    I like the idea of damaged Star Destroyer chases TIE into view (a la Star Destoryer chases Blockade Runner in ANH) but here it is the pursuer that is in trouble. Kind of announces this is going to take you somewhere new, but in a familiar Star Wars way...
     
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