The End of Rebels

Kanan is a Jedi, knighted by Yoda, but Ezra wasn't. If Ezra isn't knighted by Kanan, than there isn't any reason to kill him. He was just a failed padawan.

 

Not to mention, its a trait of the Dark Side to be overconfident.

 

Isn't that Yoda quote, paraphrased as "when I'm gone, the last of the Jedi you'll be," from Episode VI? So, technically, couldn't the crew live until around then (or, if we're to take Obi-Wan's "that boy is our last hope" thing literally, at least until Episode V)?

 

I think/hope that around the Season 4 finale Ezra will have completely turned to the dark side (but like Anakin with noble intentions) and Kanan has to kill him (preferably with the move he had used against him during their training session) and Kanan feels like he cannot be a Jedi anymore goes and seeks Bendu only to find out that Bendu is not the creatures name but rather a description like Jedi and Sith with that info Kanan formally leaves the Jedi and becomes a Bendu-Knight (or Jedi-Bendu if they fully want to reference George's original script) he would then remain in the Alliance but not want anything to do with the main blast and only do suicide missions in areas away from the OT. Maybe around the time of Hoth Kanan would fully leave and go into his won exile. They then either do a comic or book of sorts (ideally a animated TV movie) that shows Luke seeking him out (during the 6 months between Empire and Jedi) and he is living alone like Obi Wan and Luke asks him to train him only for Kanan to say he never train another in the ways of the force, Luke would respond by saying Yoda and Ben already trained him in the force what he needs is a sword master, Kanan agrees and gives him Ezra's lightsaber (since Luke doesn't have one) they train and Luke stays for a month or so. Luke would part ways but first Kanan will say that a Jedi needs to forge his own saber but tells him with the Empire in control it will be difficult to find a crystal so he uses the force and takes apart Ezra's saber and gives Luke the Kyber. Luke would then go off and construct his Jedi lightsaber. The training I referred to, only in the real fight Ezra wouldn't have learned and be impaled.

 

I think one of the fundamental mistakes being made about the fate of Kanan and Ezra is taking Yoda at face value.

Obi-Wan and Yoda deliberately misled Luke in order to motivate him towards their goal of destroying the Sith, which turned out to involve their desire for him to kill his father.

Just because Yoda told Luke he would be the last of the Jedi does not mean he was telling the truth. It could have been one last attempt to motivate him.

If you're trying to motivate someone to kill their father you're not going to reveal that there's someone else who can do it. Remember that Yoda had to talk Obi-Wan into going after Vader in Revenge of the Sith.

Yoda's dialogue in Return of the Jedi was never a problem in the old EU where too many Jedi to lost survived Order 66 and made it into the New Republic era.

Why are we treating this line as gospel now and declaring that Kanan and Ezra *must* die?

As much as we love Yoda -- he's not 100-percent honest and forthcoming.

 

I think Yoda was hedging his bets. With the Emperor and Vader gone, perhaps the remaining Jedi would reveal themselves. And Yoda knew there was a chance that Luke would turn to the Dark Side. So revealing that there are other Jedi, even to Obi Wan could put them at risk. I see Yoda as the keeper of the truths.

 

It's true!












... from a certain point of view.

 

Agreed on all points.

The only way I think it's a problem is if Kanan and/or Ezra remain alive AND actively involved with the Alliance - that would not work. Otherwise, there are SO many ways they could have Ezra/Kanan/Ahsoka "leave" - either physically or spiritually - that would allow the point of view to be different enough for Yoda & Obi-Wan.

"The Jedi are all but extinct" - True, even with Kanan alive
"He's our last hope" - True, Kanan & Ezra have shown he cannot match up to Vader
"The last of the Jedi you will be" - tricky, but Kanan could leave the order or die and resolve this one

My bets are some combination of Bendu & Lira San being involved.

 

We know at least Hera, and Chopper are alive by Rogue One. Kanan is a goner for sure. Despite how much I like his character, I feel like he is just destined to die. It'd be series finale material though. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Zeb dies at some point in the next couple of seasons, and will mark a turning point in the series as far as tone goes. That leaves Ezra and Sabine, who I think are both safe simply because killing off the two youngest characters would be way too dark. Also Ezra is the most primary character, and so that further supports him surviving. I don't think either is around for the Battle of Scariff though.

Most likely after Kanan's death the crew will splinter. Ezra will abandon the Jedi path, and the Rebellion. He might show up later in canon though. Who knows? Maybe Luke recruits him to help train the new generation... then he becomes a victim of the Knights of Ren so we have a personal connection to one of Kylo's Jedi slaughter victims. Sabine will most likely return to Mandalore. With Zeb dead, that leaves Hera and Chopper being the only ones to carry on with the Rebellion into the Battle of Scariff. That'd be somewhat poetic. Her journey started with just her and Chopper, and then it ends essentially the same. Their fate is ambiguous as of this moment as we don't see whether or not the Ghost escapes.

Edit: On a side note I hope Cassian shows up with Kay Two at some point. Both were the stand outs to me from Rogue One and I'd love to see more of these guys.

 

Small correction: Ezra was born on Empire Day. Luke and Leia were born a few days later. Maybe a day or two. Or maybe everything happened so fast that Padme was in the morning at the Senate watching Palpatine becoming the Emperor, saw Obi-Wan around noon and then made it to Mustafar, almost got choked by her husband, fainted, got rescued by Obi-Wan and taken to Polis Massa to die on childbirth during the remaining of the day.

Which is quite a pity. Wished more people knew about the Ghost crew than about Jar-Jar. *sigh*

Just one thing: to be a Jedi does not mean to be a psychic.

We see Ahsoka not perceiving anymore any of her former masters/colleagues on the Ahsoka book. We see her finding out the mysterious dark pilot attacking them on Season 2 is none other than her former master but just because of the proximity and with Kanan's help. We see Kanan being made a Jedi knight in the Lothal temple, but otherwise there is hardly a way that Yoda might be aware that there are more remaining Jedi around after Order 66.

And yeah, I mean, from a certain point of view, Obi-Wan and Yoda told Luke the truth but in a way that he could be motivated to fight his own father.

YES! And please get Diego Luna and Alan Tudyk to voice them

 

Great discussion, everyone. Thread of the week!

 

i've been mulling this over for some time now.

They cannot do a Game of Thrones thing and butcher half the cast... my kids watch the thing every Saturday morning lol.

We know the Ghost, Hera and Chopper make it as far as R1. We can possibly assume that Sabine will do an 'Aragorn' and go lead her own people.
That leaves Zeb, Kanan and Ezra.

I reckon that Zeb made it to the end and was on board the Ghost in R1.

Ezra clearly has an appointment with the Dark side, and at least one more brush with Maul in his busy schedule.
There's always a twist, and ezra turning would not be a big surprise... so what will it be?

What if during an epic ending, Kanan also turns to the dark side in trying to stop Ezra from falling foul?
What if Kanan and Ezra are both founding members of the KOR?

it's the only thing i can think of where nobody dies, but leaves us with a pretty dire ending with no Jedi other than Yoda/Kenobi.

 

One thing people have praised R1 for (though certainly not the only thing) is that it had the courage to

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kill off all the good guys

. This contrasts with kid-friendly Clone Wars, where you ended up with a bunch of spare characters either unaccounted for or left to be dealt with in Rebels (Ahsoka, Maul, Cad Bane, Ventress, etc.). Admittedly, The Clone Wars was forced to end much earlier than it had planned to.

I think it would be a gutsy move to kill off Kanan and/or Ezra, especially if one of them kills the other one. I think I would be in favor of this.

This reminds me of the ABC series Dinosaurs, which was basically a kids' show. In the final episode,

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the ice age comes and all the characters die.

. On the one hand, the producers had some serious courage to go with an ending like that, but on the other hand, this episode has been called "one of the worst series finales of all time" and I think I would have to agree.

 

It’s not exactly NC17, but I certainly wouldn’t classify the later seasons of TCW as ‘kid friendly’.

Ventress is confirmed dead and won’t likely be showing up in Rebels.*

Kill off the ‘Obi-Wan’ type character? Not THAT gutsy. I think most of us are expecting that much, yeah?

The padawan killing the master would be a neat twist. I vote: yes.

*The Night Sisters have canonical ‘zombies’ though, so I guess it’s not impossible.

 

I have a theory that explains why Kanan and Ezra are not Jedi's by the time of ESB and not seen in ANH.

I believe that Maul is going to confront Kenobi in the season finale of season 3. I also believe that Kanan and Ezra are going to end up there to witness the battle. I think that Maul will kill Kanan and that during the battle, either Obi wan or Ezra will kill Maul. THERE... KANAN IS DEAD.

Now we all know that Ezra and Maul have a psychic link. I think that Maul's soul leaves an imprint in Ezra and this dark shadow (or even Maul's entire SITH GHOST CONSCIOUSNESS... is stuck in Ezra's head) and it drives him mad. At this point Ezra is neither a Jedi nor a Sith (like Maul... and here it comes.... LIKE SNOKE!) I think that Ezra is SNOKE. He is driven to the darkside by the death of Kanan and Obi Wan is the one to defeat him (leaving him scared and disformed... like he did to Vader)... THERE... EZRA IS NOT AROUND IN ANH.

I posted a bigger writeup on this here https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....e-discussion-thread.6406/page-214#post-340280 which has some physical evidence to show that Ezra and Snoke could be the same person.

This little theory would then make Rebels a prequel story for Snoke, much like Clone Wars was the prequel story for Darth Vader.

 

Pretty sure the actual 'prequels' were the prequel story for Darth Vader, but I take your meaning

 

Maybe kid-friendly wasn't exactly the right word, but I still think that TCW is more directed at kids than any of the PG-13 movies. Sorry I didn't know about Ventress.

 

I agree. I have also thought that Yoda could refer to ''active'' Jedi and not every existing Jedi. Just as Yoda found a place that could hide him from the Sith so too could other surviving Jedi have found a place to hide that even Yoda couldn't sense or know about. Yoda is very wise but he's not all knowing.