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The Last Jedi Reactions Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Julius Fett, Dec 14, 2017.

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If I had to score The Last Jedi right now, I would give it a...

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  3. 3/10

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  5. 5/10

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  6. 6/10

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  7. 7/10

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  8. 8/10

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  9. 9/10

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  10. 10/10

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    Yes it was great. For me personal, it was also a rebirth for Luke after being down and out for a long long time. He is not gone, he is now one with the force.
     
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    I’ve literally just got out and am not sure what to think!

    Initial reaction is it was a bit ‘odd’, or different. It felt weird in ways.

    Good thing I’ll be seeing it again at least twice!

    Initial score: 7/10
     
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    I think you make some solid points here although I see things similarly and differently...

    I don't see muddying of "the good" so much as acknowledging complexity. There's always dangers in reducing pluralities and complexities into simple black and white - especially in adversarial situations. Sure there are good guys but they're not always good and carry flaws and weaknesses like everyone else. I liked the message about seeing "mistakes as portals of discovery" (James Joyce). Sure Luke made errors of judgment - but we can give him credit for never going through with his temptation to kill young Ben although it had dire consequences.

    I reckon war has pretty much proven to be "universally bad". In the real world murder, rape, torture, and suffering generally follow on all sides. Not so much in fiction perhaps. In any case, war manages to poison all parties and makes victims of participants and bystanders alike. I think this maybe part of Luke and Yoda's discovery. Talk to any veteran and you will find some lasting damage. Regardless of good intentions what we do to the "other" we also do to ourselves - even when we believe the ends justify the means. If war was the solution to the different narratives states tell themselves the twentieth century would have resulted in perpetual peace.
    I think you've nailed it here but maybe it's not so bad.

    Maybe Luke did die "fighting like a man" - the result was just the same. Maybe his X-Wing had trouble and he had no choice but to Force Project? Maybe he didn't trust himself to duel Kylo in person? Maybe he didn't die as a result of exhaustion but through his selfless willpower projected himself right out of a material plane? It's possible he can now transverse forms and dimensions as a natural progression from Qui Gion's voice essence, and ObiWan and Yoda's ghost essence...
     
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    I think it's this general unwillingness for any of the directors or writers thus far in this trilogy to spell out basic things that help with character development and continuity that makes both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi seem disjointed, rushed and generally lacking in pathos to a lot of people.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 14, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 14, 2017 ---
    I think I should expand on this further. Take Leia in The Force Awakens. Sure, her familial conflicts involving Kylo Ren and Han Solo should be explored but the New Republic's total absence from the film does more to stunt her character than people realize. What people forget is how political her character actually is. That she was a firebrand and visionary. Seeing her realize that the republic she helped forge had been corrupted, turned complacent and arrayed against her while witnessing her trials of being thrust into the role of military commander once again as an older woman is fertile ground for potent storytelling but where does that get put? In a book. That's just a complete anticlimax and a flaw that goes far beyond the realm of "mere expectations".
     
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    There is one thing this movie has done, and thats made me think!

    I honestly don't know what to make of the movie. When I came out of the midnight screening last night I wasn't thrilled to say the least, infact I didn't think I was going to see it again. The reason for that is that? I was genuinely angry about a few paths they have taken with the movie and it annoyed me more than it should have at the time.

    Firstly its gone so Hollywood. (excuse the cliche) It made me think, "fast and furious in space," now obviously that an over exaggeration but fast an furious wasnt always so ridiculous. I mean an X-Wing against a dreadnought, multiple destroyers and tie fighters, your really telling me that ships this size dint have any defences against small fighters. Yes its Star Wars and its not real but its got to be realistic within the Star Wars universe. And once you have started down that path you have to keep making action scenes more and more ridiculous, because that's what the masses want and it makes Disney money. I just hope they can be turned from this path before its to late! Which brings me on to the jokes!

    I'm not gonna lie, I laughed, along with the majority of the cinema, but thats,, not,, Star Wars. Yes some of the lines were funny but they just didn't fit in. Luke throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder was hilarious, but it totally killed the cliffhanger that was left from TFA. Poe and his "prank call". It was like some sort of spoof that would pop on my Facebook feed. The whole cinema laughed when Yoda appeared, one of the most iconic and powerful Jedi of all time and his appearance got the biggest laugh? Luke and the whole milk thing? Annnyway, please don't misunderstand where I am coming from here. A few of these jokes would have been absolutely fine, they just overdone it!

    Snokes death... does anyone really care? This movie was fast paced action from start to finish (excluding Luke and Rey on the island) which gave us absolutely no time to hate (or love) Snoke. We needed to see him manipulating Kylo or training him or some form of dialogue before they killed him. This guy rag dolled Kylo and Rey like it was absolutely nothing. He knew the weakness in Kylo and was able to manipulate Rey through his mind but he couldn't sense the lightsaber slowly turning towards him? Smoke dying meant absolutely nothing to me. Hopefully we will learn more about Snoke from the EU but thats too late. Phasma is another great example. Unless you read the comics you then you wouldn't be remotely invested in Phasma. She's just a shiny Storm trooper as far as the movies are concerned.

    Too much action and not enough character development left me feeling a bit deflated after the movie. I remember leaving Rouge One absolutely buzzing purely because of the third act. They saved all of the best action scenes to the end and then blew everyones mind with Vader. They could have achieved the same here by building the story and having the awesome battle at the start of the movie at the end. And Luke, imo, was underused. It looks like he is gone and we never really got to see the full extent of his power.

    So what did like then?
    Quite a lot actually. Iv'e been thinking about it all day and there is so many positives to take from the movie.

    Mark Hamill and Daisey Ridley. Outstanding performances from the both of them. The dialogue on the island was really good and we really got to understand where Lukes head was during this time. We obviously learned a lot about Rey as well, the girls got some power! At first Luke just appeared to be a grumpy old man but then you started to see glimpses of the old Luke in there still and realise he's just a broken man. He didn't say anything when he found Han was dead but through Hamill's stagecraft you could see how much it hurt him.

    Kylo Ren. Adam Driver has grew on me in TFA after a few viewings but I felt he really upped his game here. They are taking a very different path with Kylo, and unlike most of the movie its not something you could see coming. I don't think a lot of people appreciate the complexity of the role Driver has taken on. No character in the Star Wars movies has had the internal battles that Kylo has and the young actor has portrayed this so well. No one has any idea what is happening with Kylo but he is going down a path we have not yet seen in the movies.

    The cinematography. Poe's suicide mission aside the opening battle was phenomenal! I really felt for the loss of life in the attack, which was largely down to Carrie Fisher. It felt like a Battle should. Then of course there was the battle on Crait. That was an absolutely stunning piece by Rian Johnson and I can't wait to watch that again!

    The Score. John Williams nails it yet again. For me its one of the most important aspects of the Star Wars movies.

    I'm really looking forward to seeing this movie again, not because I enjoyed it so much but because I want to see what, if anything, in my opinion changes. Thanks for reading.
     
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    I thought the way that Rian handled this in particular was absolute genius, actually, because Snoke’s hubris - something that Luke points out was a fatal flaw of the Jedi Order earlier in the film - ultimately results in his demise. He boasts about forming a connection between Rey and Kylo, stokes the flames in Rey’s spirit a bit by saying that she is like a true Jedi, and praises Kylo as his “worthy apprentice, son of darkness, heir apparent to Lord Vader”. And then...

    SNOKE: You think you can turn him? Pathetic child. I cannot be betrayed. I cannot be beaten. I see his mind: I see his every intent. Yes...I see him turning the lightsaber to strike true.

    We see the Skywalker legacy lightsaber slowly turn by Snoke’s side towards him, but we also see Ben slowly turn his lightsaber in his hand towards Rey. Snoke did see everything his pupil was doing, but Ben was one step ahead, twisting both lightsabers at the same time.

    SNOKE (cont.): And now, foolish child, he ignites it, and kills his true enemy!

    And just like that, Snoke is skewered.

    My only real problem with this scene is that it would be that much more effective, in my opinion, if it wasn’t telegraphed that the legacy lightsaber was being pointed at Snoke and that he was about to be betrayed, but instead only showed the movements of Ben’s left hand willing that lightsaber to move at the same time as he turned his over in his hand towards Rey.
     
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    So using a slight of hand trick stumped Snoke? He connected to being's across the galaxy. We are talking about one of the most powerful beings in Star Wars canon and indeed legends.

    However the real issue was that I didn't care about Snoke. There was very little character development. I really wanted to get to know his character bit once again that will come down to the books and the movies will be saved for big money making action scenes.
     
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    And porgs.
     
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    You got me sold to watch it another one or two times. Thank you and may the Force be with you. :)
     
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    Here's what I got right:
    I said Luke and Snoke would die
    I said Reylo would gain some momentum
    I thought Yoda would show up

    Here's what I got wrong:
    Too much to count, however the main thing I got wrong was Hux dying, and I am so glad I was wrong, loved Hux in this movie

    Thoughts:
    Absolutely loved this movie, it's in my top 3, maybe my top 2. I was frustrated with Luke at the beginning, but his end was absolutely perfect, just perfect. I cried when I saw the two suns. I loved that Snoke died in this movie, really bold choice, and I also love that Kylo decides to take his place. It's like he cares about Rey enough to not kill her, but won't sacrifice his dream for her. I know a lot of people hate that Snoke had no backstory, but I honestly didn't care. Love Rey's parentage, I think it makes her a more intriguing character, especially when paired with the stable boy who is also a nobody. Kylo Ren was the highlight of the movie for me. I have so many questions. My mind tells me he is irredeemable, but my heart says otherwise. It seems everybody has given up on him, except Luke (he would be the one). I liked how the history of the temple and the true story was let out, much more ambivalent than most people predicted. Gotta say this real quick, Reylo is a legitimate theory now, I think the ending put a dent in it, but by no means did it kill it. I know I am rambling all over the place but that's what my mind is like. Oh loved the Poe arc, perfect from beginning to end. Finn and Rose weren't as bad as I expected, and Canto Bight wasn't as boring as I thought it would be, but I had admittedly low expectations. I thought Phasma was better than in TFA, but that's not saying much. Holdo grew on me at the end. The Leia thing with her saving herself via force kinda came out of nowhere, but I'm okay with it I guess. One of my favorite scenes was with Yoda and Luke, where Yoda is telling him to learn from failure, and you can just see him alluding to his own failure to see Darth Sidious in the prequels. But he bounced back, trained Luke, and saved the day in the end. And Yoda is saying, you've gotta do the same thing. Coolest scene had to be when Rey tossed Kylo the lightsaber, and he ignited it right through the guard's head. Oh yeah, and Hux was the pleasant surprise of the movie for me. Absolutely hilarious, even though he totally wasn't trying to be.

    Where it's going next: I think it is so cool that you have two raw force users controlling the fate of the galaxy, no masters. It's like the inverse of the prequels. It could go anywhere to be honest. I mean, I think it's going to be a leap from a resistance that can fit on the falcon to a "war to end all wars", but hey, they can do it. Maybe Leia's death is the catalyst that causes the rebellion to unite. So excited where this franchise is going. Mission accomplished Rian Johnson.
     
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    I feel it made a galaxy far far away a little too close to home. Too much like an earth movie. Will see it again and can't wait to dissect the story and get new insights.
     
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    Okay I just got back from seeing it and my immediate reaction is that I like it. How much, I can't really say at the moment.

    My first impressions are that the music, as is always the case in a John Williams score, is excellent. The visuals are similarly excellent, except for a small gripe that I have in the Kylo Luke "fight" near the end, the CGI unfortunately looks rather noticeable in that scene. I also loved that Yoda is in another Star Wars film but the CGI seemed to be off on him for some parts as well. The humor of the movie was really good, but as a lot of people have said thus far, I'm not entirely sure it was appropriate especially Poe's conversation with Hux in the beginning, it just didn't feel Star Warsy to me. Benecio Del Toro's character also was kinda meh for me, his acting was great but I really didn't care for the character all that much. I also didn't really like the Leia in space scene it just felt weird to be honest and it took me out of the film momentarily.

    Surprisingly, I really liked Cranky Master Luke and props to Mark Hamill for giving a great performance as well as all the rest of the cast, but he really stole the show for me. I absolutely loved the Rey and Kylo fight against the Praetorian Guards and I really like their chemistry together. I also really liked the chemistry between Holdo and Leia, even though this is Laura Dernes first, and likely only foray into the GFFA, it felt like she had been there for much longer and I actually felt somewhat sad when she died especially after the way they portrayed for much of the film.

    Is it an Empire Strikes Back, no of course not, but then again nothing ever will be. It was a fun movie that I thoroughly enjoyed and while there are some qualms I have with it, its positives generally outweighed the negatives for me. One last thing, RIP Admiral Ackbar, you will never be forgotten.(ackbar)
     
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    I joined this forum just to post my reaction. I thought the movie was great, and took alot of great risk that are obviously causing debate in the Star Wars Senates aka forums. This was the right movie at the right time when it was made. We got used to the powerful master\apprentice sandwich that was served in the first 2 trilogies. But in today's age, where every main plot point and character is expected to have a back story fleshed out in binge worthy fashion, its nice to see Rian Johnson did not use the film to build up Snoke to satisfy backstory fan service as an example. Big picture, we may get a book or comic that gives us Snoke backstory, or it could be mentioned in Episode 9 how he got to be who he is. When ROTJ ended, we did not know Sheev Palpatine and his side job as a government official. We still have zero backstory on Yoda, and will never know why Dengar's ace bandage look never took the galaxy by storm.

    Was it different to see Leia float in space, or to see Luke manipulate the living force to create a fully interactive hologram of himself, absolutely! It was no different than seeing Yoda and the Emperor play dodge ball with massive pods in ROTS. I think it is clear the Jedi and Sith were so locked into their ideals they never grasped it the way Luke, and possibly Leia did. Story wise, the Jedi were fully trained in the prequels, Luke took down Vader with minimal training in the next trilogy, and now in this Saga, Kylo and Rey are a new generation of Force users, so they aren't Mary Sue's because they have a different grasp on things. Rey has heard storys of Luke and what Jedi skills are, so she would know what things they can do without training. With Snoke probably being a fraud, it makes sense she could handle Kylo, as he most likely did not have legit training once he dropped out of Lukes school. No different than a 10 year old that knows the basics of driving a car from playing Forza. For Kylo, he has his own impression of Vader, but it seems he knew the Rule of 2 and made the same offer to Rey that grandpa did to Padme. It was also nice that they built on the Force connection Luke and Vader had at the end of Empire with Rey and Kylo.

    With Snoke, eventually would it not make sense if he was a figurehead for the wealthy from Canto Bight? Maybe his force powers were not fine tuned like the Sith and he used the his knowledge of the force to manipulate people to get where he was. I don't remember the exact quote, but he does mention something when he first talks to Kylo about using peoples ideals against them.

    Back to actual reaction to the movie, I loved the imagery, the soundtrack was much better than TFA, and the ending was not the conventional cliffhanger but it definitely left me anxious to see where they go with the story. Was it perfect, no, but then again Empire is the measuring stick for Star Wars perfection but it is completely unfair to compare it to that movie. I don't do rankings, since Star Wars equals happy place viewing to me. It allows me to revisit the galaxy far far away. From a metric standpoint, it is a very solid 9 for me after one viewing. I fear it will not carry the nostalgia viewings the way TFA did so alot of common movie fans will see it once and move on, but I have been know to make mistakes, from time to time.
     
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    "So she would know what they do without training"

    Lolololololol

    I know what sniper's do. But I certainly can't shoot without training.

    That's a hot take. Rey's force adequancy is a legitimate plothole as of right NOW. Recontinuation could happen.

    But given established.mythos, it IS a plot hole. People can rationalize all the want
     
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    Snoke says to Kylo, "The Force reacted to your growing prowess in the Dark side, and created her."

    Anyway,Upon further reflection... I don't know. There was stuff I really loved in here. Everything involving Luke, Rey, and Kylo. Their plot, which was the A-plot, felt really clean. I can't complain in anyway.

    Everything else?

    I enjoyed Finn's arc, but felt some of it could have been cut, or just rewritten, or... something. I actually liked everything on Canto Bight, and the Supremacy. But Act 4, I mean what the Blast Rose? How am I supposed to care about this character who at the start of the film talks about how Finn needs to care about something other than himself, and then at the end of the film is willing to sacrifice the entire Resistance just to get a kiss with her new 5 minuet Bae. The worst part is I had accepted Finn's fate when Rose comes literally crashing in.

    Poe's arc... what the hell? Every other interesting character in Poe's arc gets killed in the first 20 minuets, and then we're supposed to care about alien guy who I thought died last movie, and Billie Lourd's character who says 2 lines? What the hell happened to the rest of black squadron from TFA? Did they all die in the start too? Why would I care about Holdo if I didn't read Leia? Hell, I read Leia, and I still didn't like her in this. I'm supposed to care when Holdo sacrifices herself, when the rest of the movie made her Poe's primary antagonist? At the same time though.... is Poe even a likable character at this point? Reckless, and a legit mutaneer, but it's okay because the Resistance has like 20 guys left.

    AND SNOKE! Snoke! This dude is flinging around the whole cast like it's nothing, and manipulates our two leads from across the Galaxy but then.... that can't be the end of him. He has to have some role in Ep 9 or he is the Legends General Grevious of the ST. Presented as ultra-powerful, gets taken out like a Vhlor.

    Phasma was also a disappointment. Her book was great. Really got me hyped to see more of this character. Now? What a waste of precious NEU material.

    Also Maz... I mean kind of a weird inclusion.

    I don't know. I know these are all super nit picky things, but I can't help feel disappointed by them. I just don't know how to feel.
     
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    Just got home. I can finally see why so so many people are saying they need another viewing to really process it. I definitely do. I have to say I did like it. Some amazing emotional scenes. Yoda and Luke was perfect to me.

    I can't say I agree 100% with how Luke was used (or not?). I was totally fine with and fully expected him to be reluctant at first. I still thought eventually we'd see him come to the rescue in a more robust way rather than that scene followed by him just disappearing. Can't say I'm 100% behind this decision.

    I need to see it one more time to really get a better feel for it. Maybe I'm at a 7.5 or 8/10 right now. Overall better than TFA for sure.
     
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    I'm a big fan of double entendres. Not sure if anybody said but the title could have literally applied to any of Kylo, Rey or Luke and the whole movie was an extended live action debate of who is the Last Jedi. And theoretically since Kylo is not a sith but a Dark Jedi there still is no LAST jedi. There is him and there is another...
     
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    It’s clear to be Snokes Story will be told in a cartoon about Ben Solo downfall.
     
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    I'm of 2 minds about this movie. Some parts I thought were really great... even borderline epic. While many other parts were really unfortunate story decisions.

    What I think happened was the director/writer (or people with influence over them) was reading everybody's theories on Star Wars forums just like this one and PURPOSELY avoided putting ANY of them in this movie (which is a great idea IF you come up with alternatives that are as good or better than all those Star Wars fan theories... which unfortunately I don't think they achieved at all).

    After one viewing I'll list off what I thought was good and bad.

    THE GOOD
    Poe... I really like this character and I know it didn't hit the mark for some people but I liked his "stalling" tactic at the beginning. I thought it was quite humerous and totally seems appropriate for the character.

    The lightsaber battle between Rey and Kylo and (who I assume were) the 6 knights of Ren taken by Kylo from Luke's school. The technical fight moves during this sequence were what I always wanted to see in a lightsaber fight (although I do think that Rey should of taken down maybe 2 with pure instinct but then struggled after that... they were trained in lightsaber techniques after all while Rey still hasn't had any actual saber training yet, despite being strong with the force).

    I thought that the way Kylo killed Snoke was quite clever. I know that some people feel that as powerful as Snoke was it shouldn't have worked, but I think it was the subtle manipulation of the force that made it made it inperceptable to him simply BECAUSE he was so overwhelmingly powerful with the force. Such small manipulations of the force most likely were way too far below his power level to even register anymore (akin to him bothering to detect the force of an ant crawling on the floor), while a blatant "power" force move he would have definitely felt and easily countered. I actually think this was kind of a cool idea.

    That small rebel characters actually got a little character development (before getting killed). It always annoyed me that most rebels were just cannon fodder between the "heroes" heroic moments despite sacrificing their lives for the rebel cause. This movie actually did a little to remedy that (still not quite far enough... but it is a start). I think we might have "Rogue One" to thank for this.

    Chewie showing his chops independantly as an awesome pilot of the Millenium Falcon. Finally, and it makes sense that he would be as good if not better than Han after all these years. If they had just done a Chewie "Arrrrrrhhhhhh" with Rey replying "Yes, that was for Han" at an critical sttike against the first order moment it would have been perfect. Oh, plus the Falcon looked better than ever in this movie I might add.

    I also loved the look of the "First Order" technological advancements in all their ships and vehicles. They look "30 years on" advanced but still with a strong nod to the old movies tech. It was a nice touch.

    That it turned out that Luke used the Jedi temples power to sent an astral projection of himself (when they set it up to trick the audience that there was about to be an obvious "Obi-wan moment"). Tricky and I didn't see it coming... which was great (HOWEVER, then directly afterwards Luke pulling a "Yoda Fade Away" effectively making this moment significantly less epic than Obi-Wan's original sacrifice totally ruined it and was a total disservice to Luke's character). He should have just shown up in person and done something epic on the actual battlefield (like ripping apart one of the AT-AT's and yanking out Kylo or something... after all he is an old master now with a far stronger connection to the force than Yoda ever had) if he was going to die that weakly by projecting his image alone anyway.

    The hesitation moment of Kylo unable to kill his mother because of the unexpected feelings derived after killing his father (although he should have destroyed the 2 tie fighters who did take the shot out of pure instinctual anger... just as a show of his emotional imbalance).

    No "Death Star", "Planet Star"... "Galactic Star" (cough, cough) plotline. Thank **** for that.

    The Benicio del Toro "Thief" character is a potentially interesting "grey" character with unique insight to the whole universe. Speaking of which... where are all the "grey" force users in this galaxy? There are still a fair few unaccounted for.

    Some of the CG in general was just amazing. In space and on planets (the face off moment with Luke and Kylo staring at each other on the salt planet looked just "wow"). Some really beautiful moments scattered throughout.

    THE BAD
    Firstly, as opposed to some opinions I have read on this thread, there were some moments in this movie that distinctly didn't feel like a "Star Wars" movie but belonged in a different universe. I'm not saying the whole movie, mostly it felt right. But there were numerous moments that felt really out of place for me.

    The rebel bombers. Firstly, let's make bombers that fly as ridiculously slow as possible to the targets we want to destroy. Sounds like a great idea. Plus, they don't have any propelling mechanism, they just drop? In zero gravity in space? The enemy ships are big sure, but big enough to generate planetary gravity conditions? I think not. Perhaps the bombs are magnetised I guess, but they sure did not look like it.

    Snoke dying without any origin backstory, motivation reveal or what his power set was whatsoever. Stupid beyond words. What the freak were they thinking?

    Kylo Ren is still no where near as strong or cool a villain as Darth Vader was. But they are still not trying to develop his character into anything other than a "Darth wannabe". With Snoke dead this is going to be a big problem for the next movie. If the plan was always to be to make him the main villain, they needed to do something really different with the character to make him stand out on his own.

    The whole "do nothing but chase the last ships of the rebellion till they run out of fuel for hours and hours and hours" storyline. Really? This was the best they could come up with? No "Lightspeed jump one of the destroyers ahead, turn it around and fly back towards the rebellion ships"? No "send out a few dozen legions of tie bombers and fighters that we have on board"? This was a very bad (and boring) plot device. I could think of at least 20 better plotlines than this.

    Leia can use the force strong enough to wake up after being knocked out while floating in empty space without oxygen and pull herself back onto a ship a large distance away and still open a door and hold the oxygen from being sucked out before falling unconscious again? When did this happen? How did she learn to do that? Why were Jedi's not doing this all the time to breach enemy ships in space undetected during the Clone Wars? This just didn't sit right with me at all.

    Yoda's ghost can summon lightning storm attacks? Wouldn't dead lightning summoning Jedi ghosts be pretty useful against "First Order" vs "Rebellion" planetary assaults? Not sure that this ability should have been added to canon. Oh, and although a Yoda cameo was kind of cool, where is Obi-Wan and Anakin? Too busy spooning in the force for a visit? Plus Anakin surely should be paying a visit to Kylo with some helpful insight (or just to rattle him in front of his own men). Would seem useful.

    What did Finn actually succeed in doing in this entire movie apart from trashing a casino, freeing some abused racing animalsand smashing Captain Phasma in the face? Even his one redeeming "moment" was ruined by Rose who wanted to "save his life" for like 2 minutes for a quick snog before getting crushed by an AT-AT at the expense of the lives of the last surviving rebels. WTF? His whole characters arc was entirely useless in this movie and pointless to the plot entirely, just wasteful time filler. An utter waste of an otherwise potentially interesting character.

    Another pointless plot device. The "Dark Side" underground water pit on the island. Visually it was actually pretty cool, but it went absolutely nowhere, we learned nothing. I think it was meant to be like a "Luke Skywalker on Dagobah in the cave" moment but they ran out of ideas or something. Perhaps Rey is "her own parents"? Born out of the force like Anakin or something? Which would mean Kylo was lying. Regardless, pretty pointless and a letdown.

    Which of course leads to Rey's parents... which is revealed to be "noone special" whatsoever by Kylo. I hope he is lying because that is pretty weak if true. A decendant of a ancient Sith bloodline who is destined to fight against the dark turned Skywalker bloodline for the light side of the force is 1000x better than this.

    On a different note. Near the end, when Finn opened a drawer, the ancient Jedi order books were in there right? Stolen by Rey before she left the island and the tree was burned by Yoda yes? It was quick, I'm not sure if I imagined them or not.
     
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    My reaction after seeing it. I knew some things going in but not huge things. I did not read leaks...at least the real money shots that is. And while it's still fresh in my mind this will be a bit rambling.

    First I was waiting to go in and there were these teenagers and one was explaining about Anakin and other stories of Star Wars. It was cool as they listened. And there was this little girl who had her hair like Rey's with the three knots or whatever in her hair. Was cool. No one dressed up, but a fun crowd to watch it with.

    It's different, mature, and metaphorical. It is fantastic, imo. It went down roads I didn't expect, did things that blew my mind and a few things that were even a bit out of the norm and say,wtf? This movie plays with you, made me laugh,made me sad, happy and cheer. It's not as fast paced as TFA, but still moves. There are a few slow down scenes and a few I didn't like, but that's ok. It has some originality to it, not the whole movie, but just so radically different, emotional, powerful and funny.

    Is it a masterpiece? No. Is it awesome? Yes. Has some flaws? Sure My favorite? No ANH will always be my favorite. But, wow, this movie is cool and had heart. And it went places. It did not just go nowhere. I found myself on the edge of my seat alot and caring about people. Yes it needs processing. Alot to take in in 2 and half hours. This move does a complete 180 from TFA and almost forgets it even existed. I say almost but it really doesn't. It just waits for the right moments to remind you of what you might have forgotten.

    So much about characters that got attention and Mark was great. I will get into everyone in another thread and my thoughts, but the dynamic between Daisy and Mark and Daisy and Adam was awesome chemistry.

    I want to see it again, right now, this minute, but I will again tomorrow. The third act alone is so damn suspenseful and awesome. I had so much fun and so much to think on.
     
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