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OFFICIAL NEWS The Last Jedi

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by JeffG., Jan 23, 2017.

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    It's good to remember that most of the time there are dual, triple, quadruple meanings to these SW titles. The Phantom Menace can be Maul, the Sith as a whole, the droid army, or Anakin. I think that while the title singles out Luke most, I think it could mean several other things.
     
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    I gotta admit that is funny.. The Last Samurai conjures The Last Unicorn..
    That would be fun in photoshop.. Tom Cruise.. The Last Unicorn.:p
     
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    @JediMasterRobert, @Talon Karrde

    also apropos of nothing, The Last Unicorn isn't about the actual last one either.

    but whereas The Last Samurai is about the death of that noble rank, The Last Unicorn is about rescuing and rebuilding the species from bondage.

    so in a way, The Last Unicorn is hopefully the more accurate comparison. : D
     
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    Well, the phantom menace is clearly Sidious.

    At the end of ep I, Maul is not that big of a menace.

    I'm still searching for the double meaning of Attack of the clones or revenge of the sith but I don't find any.
     
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    As I see it, the formation of the clones ultimately became an attack on not only the Republic but also the Jedi Order and the balance of the Force, luring the Jedi from their ideals, forcing them into unnatural involvement in galactic affairs, and luring the into the darkness of aggression, culminating in Order 66 and the near eradication of the Jedi.

    Yoda's response to Obi-Wan at the end of AOTC underscores this:

    Obi-Wan: I have to admit that without the clones it would have not been a victory.

    Yoda: Victory? Victory you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of the Dark Side has fallen. Begun the Clone War has.

    With this in mind, I believe AOTC is severely underrated for its pivotal nature in the eventual imbalance of the Force and the advancement of the Sith's dark agenda, exacting revenge on the Jedi in ROTS.
     
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    typically you marketing adds 30% to a film;'s budget. if TFA's budget was like $250 million, take 30% of that and add that to the $250 million and thats the real budget including marketing.
     
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    Indeed, it's terrific. A "Last Samurai-esque" film could make an awesome Star Wars movie. Not that I think Ep. VIII will be that kind of movie. :)
     
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    Yeah I do agree with that but attack of the clones is referring to the creation of a clone army and the undoing of the Jedi order but there is no double meaning in this.
     
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    I always thought that the Menace was Sidious/Palpatine. Because you can't see the menace, and when he appears its as a hologram (or a phantom/ghost).
     
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    Then one more point:

    The Jedi effectively became clones in their own regard, cutting themselves from the same ideological cloth, becoming thoroughly dogmatic and programmed, made to blindly adhere from very young, and therefore of a collective mindset and therefore susceptible to pride and becoming blind to the Dark Side emerging right before their eyes, and therefore doomed to share a destructive fate after falling prey to rigidity and the dark traps of the Sith.

    Anakin was unique, the anomaly, if not the embodiment of the infamous Prophecy -- the One (an anomaly like Neo from The Matrix).

    And the Jedi Council would not grant him equal treatment or believe him even when trying to awaken them to the truth of Palpatine.

    Qui-Gon Jinn was disobedient, in touch with the Living Force, self-liberated but ultimately to perish, but not before putting a spark of disobedience in Obi-Wan, enough to prompt Obi-Wan to train Anakin, even against Yoda's inclinations.

    Once the Jedi went on the attack with the clones, they became one and the same: made to be mere puppets of the Dark Side.
     
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    He proposes an interesting concept that I honestly hadn't considered, that at the end of the trilogy, the age of Force usage will be over and gone.
    I'm not sure that I'd want that to be the case, but it certainly would be unique and different to what has come before, and certainly adds some finality to this era of Star Wars storytelling.
     
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    Yeah, but I think the person's saying we can look beyond the obvious if we want to :).

    Revenge of the Sith also doesn't refer to just the Jedi, but the galaxy that shunned them as a whole. There are many ways to look at all the Star Wars titles. Though in all fairness, the Sith deserved to be revolted against.
     
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    I like the title, and even the ambiguity. It's also great to read the civil, respectful, and varied opinions and speculation on these pages. What is it with the comments on this story from the main SWNN page? I'm new around these parts, but it seems like a whole lot of folks with a genuine dislike for most things StarWars (insert befuddled interrobang), and serious anger/maturity issues post fairly regularly there. Like a bunch of diabetics in a donut shop. Quit griping that they don't have what you want, and find someplace else to eat. Expressing your opinion is great. That's the point of a fan-site like this. Lashing out at someone else because of their equally valid opinion does nothing but expose your immaturity, and inability to engage in thoughtful, grown-up conversations. Seriously though..."The Last Jedi"...lovin' it like McDoubles.
     
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    Well if they can do it to all the charcters in R1 then its possible for this trilogy but I dont think they'd do it for the main saga films.
     
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    I have two reactions:
    1) What a cool title. Really epic and demands attention. Should be a great story about "the last Jedi." It gives Vader's quest to end the Jedi Order and Order 66 great significance as the end of the Jedi was very close to success--leaving only Vader's son as The Last Jedi.

    2) But maybe too much. It has a bit of fan fic to it and suggests we are moving beyond the Jedi for future installments. I think this title might have been better further down the road, maybe episode 20 or beyond once we're sick of the Jedi and ready for a new group of heros. Now, I fear it is a bit premature and lessens Luke's Return of the Jedi -- such a great Jedi should've revitalized the Order?? No?
     
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    I really like the title. I think that the main meaning behind the title The Last Jedi Is Luke Skywalker. In the crawl for TFA he is described as the last Jedi. The main plot point of TFA was about the search for The Lasr Jedi, Luke Skywalker. Luke is going to play a prominent role in this movie. Rian has stated that the movie will focus in part on Luke's and Rey's relationship. Rian said that he had this title when he first started writing the script. After the success of the new characters in TFA, Rian had to go back and rewrite some of the script to increase their roles some. This tells me Luke was going to be a pivotal part of the movie. The title has remains and Luke will be the focus. As much as this trilogy is about Rey and Kylo's journey, this trilogy is about Luke Skywalker. We argue over who the Skywalker is that this saga about the Skywalkers is about and it is obvious it is Luke.

    Now Jedi can also be plural so by the end of the movie this may be tha case. However, initially I think it is primarily referring to Luke. I don't think it indicates that Luke will definitely die in TLJ. Could he? Yes. It is possible but the title in is evidence that he will.
     
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    i dont think wed ever truly move beyond jedi as its a huge fanbase and moneymaker.
     
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    Yeah there is ZERO chance Disney spent 4 billion dollars on the SW franchise, just to write themselves out of the ability to tell stories about, and market the hell out of, Jedi, lightsabers, and everything that goes with that. Same reason we haven't seen the last of the Sith as a concept. They are worth money.

    Heck, even now they are trying to figure out how to continue marketing Darth Vader and Boba Fett...and those characters are dead.
     
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    Love the title. Already broke the tradition of the second episode in the trilogy having attack or something similar. Gives me hope that we'll see Star Wars going places we've never seen! December can't get here soon enough.
     
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    An interesting title. I wonder if the last Jedi refer to Rey rather than to Luke. The titles of Rian Johnson's two previous films (The Blooms Brothers and Looper) referred to the protagonists of those films respectively. Assuming that Rian Johnson came up with this title (as reported by USA Today) and that Lucasfilm / Disney didn't change it, then it would be consistent with RJ's previous pattern if The Last Jedi is Rey. Although it's possible that Luke could be the main protagonist of this film instead of Rey.

    Still, it is odd to have The Force Awakens followed by The Last Jedi. Perhaps from Rey onward, the light-side force users won't call themselves Jedi anymore but go with a different name, say the Skywalkers? (Sort of like the Knights of Ren adopted Ren as their last name.)
     
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