The middle Jedi finger

https://www.themarysue.com/george-lucas-star-wars-prequels

Here is a story about Kasdan and Lucas discussing the issue.

 

One of the few things about R1 that I hated. What was the possible argument against making him a Force User? It made no sense to me. Still doesn't.

 

Anyone who thinks that Rian Johnson will copy ESB is really sadly mistaken. On one hand, yeah; as someone who didn't like TFA and could be cynical about the future of the franchise(Rogue One was excellent, so not so much), I'm telling you he won't copy it. For one thing, I am super biased as I do love Rian Johnson's style. Brick and Looper are fantastic movies and I urge people check out one of them to see what he can do.

But more importantly, the wool of nostalgia isn't over everyone's eyes. Like it or not, we are getting multiple SWs movies. And TFA, it had been ten years since we've seen a SWs film. Ten years! LucasFIlm would be incredibly stupid to try to copy ESB and in the long run could actually alienate not just some of the hardcore fans, but even the people who liked TFA on the basis they wanted something more original. Sorry about that, but really that argument irritates me.

Back on track, Rian Johnson is going to produce something very different. And here is why. For starters, this movie is going to explore the history of the Jedi. The history. We've seen snippets of them during the PT, but never actually got an origin story. And while Legends in my view did an excellent job with Dawn and Tales, the idea alone is going to explore some very different territory.

If anything, I see TLJ being like Legend of Korra Season two, where it not only will provide material that hopefully enhance the greater SWs mythos via the history of the Jedi, but also be something completely different/unexpected. Whether or not the fanbase will accept that; that is another debate. But unless Kennedy or Abrams force Rian Johnson to make ESB(I doubt he'd even agree to that), The Last Jedi will be something very, very different.

Whether or not it will work, we'll just have to wait until Christmas.

 

If I remember R1 correctly, Cassian asks if Chirrut is Jedi after he sees him fight the stormtroopers. My feeling is that Disney will be pushing the idea that everyone can be a Force User in the Star Wars Universe (didn't Pablo Hidalgo also make a comment to the likes that The Force helped Han at the end of ANH but that Han considered it luck?).

Some people, like Rey, will have a greater destiny, hence her great affinity with The Force, but I wouldn't be surprised if Disney move away from the midichlorians and make it so every living person has the potential to become Jedi if they chose so.

 

Maybe. I think perhaps emphasizing a living force and cosmic force might be their way to deal themselves out of the "Midichlorian" hand. I think the animated series were Qui Gon comes back and explains the difference between the Living and Cosmic Force was there way of beginning to set this all up.

 

With all due respect, I think you need to brace yourself a little to. RJ won't be doing what Kennedy, and Abrams want. The mouse house is in charge now. SW is a money making powerhouse, RJ won't be deviating to far from the magic of SW... heros journey etc.

Also have to remember, RJ is a massive OT fan. Sure they will have done twists, but they will honour what came before. Take that to the bank.

I get you didn't like TFA, but alas, it was an absolute blinding success on a global scale. You are in the minority. Most of planet earth loved it. If your expecting something out there,and bizarre, you be disappointed.

 

That is a very good point! Thanks for sharing!

 

The House of Mouse is in much smaller way involved in creative process behind filmmaking of Lucasfilm, Marvel and Pixar than people think it is. The only aspect of their films that is in full control of Disney is the marketing. Except for that, as long as nothing too bad happens, there's no need to intervene. If you want to blame (or praise) someone for creative decisions made for the new Star Wars, blame Lucasfilm. They're the ones in charge. Guys like Alan Horn and Bob Iger have nothing to say as long as Disney Studios make good and/or profitable films. The only confirmed situation in which Disney (Walt Disney Animation Studios) has a somewhat direct involvement in other studio is during production of Pixar's animated films. What they do is during the early stages of films' creation guys from Pixar organise a screening of storyboards with guys from Walt Disney Animation Studios and they provide them with ideas on what to improve, what should stay, etc. It may sound bad at first, but WDAS does exatly the same thing with their films for people from Pixar, so that there's a fresh set of eyes to look on the film.

 

Since when did I accuse TFA of not being a success? With all due respect, do not put words in my mouth. I may not like it, but that doesn't mean I do not acknowledge people who do like it. As for your point on Rian, yes he is a fan of the OT.

HOWEVER, he doesn't hate the prequels. And has stated multiple times he wants to make this movie connect with the SWs Saga. Key, word; Saga. Heck, he even defended the Prequels a while back. As for ESB, indeed I see this movie taking inspirations from ESB like its smaller tone, darker atmosphere and more character driven approach.

That I am fine with. In fact, that should be the case. There is a fine line between copying and homaging. And really, if the movie does have a few callbacks, unless they are not distracting I am fine with. Even if this movie isn't very original(Which again, I HIGHLY doubt it) , at the very least I can count on getting something decent on a world building level and even an expansion of the mythos via the first Jedi temple.

Overall, we'll need to wait and see. But really, I am super confident that I will not be disappointed. But again, I'm a big Rian Johnson fan and always have been.

 

I hope he does it justice. I never watched his films. I'll judge him on this one. Hope he doesn't Blast this up, he'll live with it forever. I'm rooting for him.

 

Check out Looper or Brick. Either of those films are very good and should give you an indicator. Also, his lectures on screenwriting are surprisingly good too. Really, though; I'll say this LucasFilm picked a very talented man. He may not have done much, but quality over quantity any day of the week.

 

I think we need to differentiate between the story direction of the movie and the style of the movie.

I still think Disney has final say on the overall direction of the movie and the path the characters take. While Johnson is going to use his style of directing to tell his story.

For example, Kirshner or Kasdan didn't get the idea of Vader being Luke's father as that was Lucas idea. But Kasdan wrote the scene and Kishner executed it and the movie would have come off different in that respect if Lucas wrote and directed. Now what makes ESB the best of the Saga, IMO, is Kirsh getting a great performance out of every actor and has a different style then Lucas or Marquand.

So nobody can blame Johnson if TLJ resembles the ESB story because that's coming from Disney. Where Johnson will make his mark on the film is the acting performances, the tone, the style, etc.

 

Well, in the trailer, we already seem to see Rey training with Luke watching her...

 

I would definitely like those middle fingers. I would lick and cherish them!
hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

I think its entirely probable that TLJ will be the most divisive SW movie of all time.

 

Divisive for a small group of radicals with neckbeards and too much time on their hands. The rest of the world just enjoys it or doesn't but at least doesn't make such a fuss about it.

 

He can use the force, she can use the force, we can all use the force, eveyones great and wins a prize......................sheeesh

 

Any cave scene. Technically there were two in ESB;Wampa and on Dagobah, but it seems the cave scene(if that is what it will be at all) in TLJ will be something totally different and unexpected.

I remember the concept art for TFA that wasn't used and the rumor they were scouting a cave in...??? forget where right of hand, but anyway it will be off the charts different.

 

There was even supposed to be a cave scene in ROTJ. Here it featured the emperor's throne room on the sanctuary moon of Endor.