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SPECULATION The New Jedi Will Rise - Rey's Pupils?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by DarthPilkington, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. JediMasterRobert

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    I think that the longer the time jump is between TLJ and IX the likelier Rey will be in a position to begin to share her experiences and understanding of the Force with others.

    As I mentioned elsewhere in this forum, Rey might be a natural, a Force prodigy of sorts, and so naturally inclined to tap the Force without formal training, but, for others it might not come so easily or naturally.

    Without some guidance beyond the extremes of contemporaneous "trial and error" and the ancient (partly "out of date"?) wisdom in the manuscripts, I think Rey would be rather ill-suited to teach anyone.

    Worse than that: with such an incomplete and shaky foundation of Force skills and little or no maturation and experiential knowledge between TLJ and IX, any "padawans" might be likelier to fall to the Dark Side under her tutelage.

    The manuscripts could help her historically, and perhaps reveal some past esoteric "secrets of the Force" to Rey, but I strongly believe Luke Skywalker could and should visit Rey to fill a vital role in helping her, as Obi-Wan and Yoda did for him.

    Luke can help Rey avoid the mistakes of the Jedi of the past -- that is, if the "New Jedi" are to rise successfully and have any chance of long-term survival without another potential Sith-Jedi-like rift in the future.

    Definitely in VII and now as of VIII Rey was, as I believe Yoda would observe, rather "reckless," acting on impulse.

    Now, if LFL/Disney purposefully rush Rey into some kind of a premature mentoring role, perhaps it would be to seed the next possible generation of Dark Siders. (Imagine an older, regretful Rey saying, "They were seduced the Dark Side of the Force. I thought I could teach them what came so naturally to me. I was wrong.")

    Since I believe Star Wars does, after all the galaxy has been to up to VIII, need to demonstrate some kind of learning and eventual positive advancement of one generation over the previous, in order to make the prospect of breaking the cycle of suffering even attainable, I'd hope Rey would be wise enough to refuse to teach anyone until she knew more and could exercise better self-control.

    Hopefully, given sufficient time between TLJ and IX, such maturity and experiential Force-wisdom will have had a chance to develop for Rey.
     
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    Without a significant time jump I don't know how it could work to have an apprentice or a list of proteges. It really would be too dangerous with Kylo about. Without a time jump you would have a character who 30 min ago couldn't tell the difference between reaching out and 'reaching out.' Pretty arrogant to assume she could teach - not in Rey's character. As cool as it would be to see her robe up and be a badass, I think she is still lost a little (as demonstrated at the end of TLJ) and needs a final walkabout/vision quest sojourn to give an appearance of a deeper understanding of the force.
     
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    What if instead of collecting new untrained apprentices , Rey turns the Knights of Ren to the light side and they overthrow Kylo together? Perhaps Snoke was influencing their minds too , and with him gone Kylo cannot maintain control of all of them. They were Jedi before, its possible there is still good in them...
     
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    THIS THIS THIS!!!! I have been feeling this! I dont think Rey will have a new slew of Jedi's...i also think someone who has been in complete solitude their whole life and doesn't understand or has a simple view of things like human connections (I mean she never saw so much green or experienced rain)

    now granted that there is going to be at least a year jump obviously she can learn alot...but she doesn't strike me as a backseat teacher role, she is still young and is wanting to be part of the fight. I see her encouraging others who are like her, but not full fledge teacher
     
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    The Reydi.
     
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    There seems to be a lot of confusion shown by some as to what a Jedi actually is. Rey is not a Jedi.

    Owning or using a lightsabre that you didn't create doesn't automatically make you a Jedi. Han Solo and Finn have both used a lightsabre, but they are not Jedi. Maz Katana owned Anakin and Luke's lightsabre for a while and she was not a Jedi.

    Displaying Force skills without formal training doesn't automatically make you a Jedi either. Young force-sensitive podracer Anakin Skywalker wasn't a Jedi during the Boonta Eve Classic race on Tatooine when he won it.

    By its definition, "Jedi" is a formal 'job' title and rank within the Jedi Order which is granted to a student (Padawan) after receiving formal training and passing trials tests from a fully trained Jedi and their Jedi Council.

    Rey has exhibited abilities to use the Force, but she has no formal Jedi training. In Earth terms, she has the ability to drive a car (The Force), but has no licence (Jedi training and title). Rey is similar to Broom Boy, Maz Katana and the young Annie Skywalker - they are Force sensitive - which is not a formal job title or club either.

    However, as Rey has stolen the Jedi text scrolls, she may later study these and eventually become the first of a new generation or style of "Jedi" (in name) modelled after the original Jedi Order. This might be overseen by the Force ghosts of the original Jedi Order.
     
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    Well, I think there's going to be a time jump, but not a significant one...maybe 2-5 years. I don't believe we're going to see the movie open with Rey being some kind of full-fledged Jedi, but moreso a "Jedi in training" that is potentially being coached by FG Luke and maybe even Yoda on occasion.

    I do think that Rey will take a pupil, HOWEVER, I don't think we'll see her do that until the last act of the movie, and IF we see any interaction (Rey training that person) it's only going to be as a sort of mentor relationship and not really a "Training" atmosphere.

    I say this, because the next trilogy (and there WILL be one) will open with a time jump (up to 10 years perhaps), and we'll THEN see Rey as a "Master Jedi" (of sorts) with that "pupil" in a sort of a Qui-Gonn/Obi-Wan relationship that we saw in TPM....which makes sense to me, as it seems that this trilogy/arc will set up the next trilogy/arc.

    Now, as far as "Rey being a nobody", I still think that issue is open-ended because Ben made a point of telling her that she was a nobody, blah, blah, blah. The fact that nobody seems to notice, is that there is NEVER an allusion in the movies that she's ANYBODY...not a Skywalker, that she's somehow tied to anyone, that she's somehow special...nothing, but there is a POINT made that she's a nobody, and it seems to make little sense and serve little/zero purpose other than for the viewer...US.

    Ben only told her that, because that's what he either hopes for it, was TOLD that, and in the end believes it, and I think that there's going to be more to it.
     
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    so you're saying Rey will be something of a Jedi by episode 9, or by the ending of 9.

    you could've just used one sentence; no need for the extended set up. ;)
     
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    Yes
     
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    If the new Jedi absolutely must rise during this trilogy...they better rise quickly! A 5-10 year jump would be unacceptable. Too much can happen during that time. We'd watch Ep 9 to find that Rey has 12 pupils hidden in some cave, Finn has 2 kids and 5 pets, Poe's been dead for 3 years, Kylo has a glass eye and and an artificial lung, and who knows what else. This is why I hate the kid at the end of TLJ, he makes me worry.
     
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    how fraggin cool would it be to see Ben on screen with FG Luke and FG Anakin?

    they want to tie all 3 trilogies together... get all 3 generations of Skywalkers on screen avin a chat.
    #makeithappenJJ

    no one is ever really gone

    Luke will be in episode 9... trust me bro ;)
     
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    My hope is that IX is going to be EPIC in scale.

    I think Luke's actions at the end of TLJ along with the Force seemingly erupting from its dormant state, will lead to a huge rise in people discovering their Force abilities. I wonder if Broom Boy is an example of this - using telekinesis to grab the broom. My view is that a good amount of time has already passed between Luke's sacrifice and the ending of TLJ.

    Anyway, rather than the typical small Rebellion vs the big First Order - I'd like to see thing equally matched. A proper galactic civil war. We didn't really get a proper taste of the Clone Wars in the PT movies (both in terms of action and the impact of war on the planets we visit). I hope IX gives us that. And I'd like to see Rey's fledgling Jedi academy at the heart of it.

    However, my view is that Rey won't be running the order like Luke did - but will have sought out help from other Jedi sorts across the galaxy who have been motivated to come out of the shadows and pick a side. Perhaps established Force users who were "in the middle" or were part of some different cults could decide to join Rey and help restore the Jedi? There could even be lost Jedi from the PT who went into hiding? And The Church of the Force could be brought back into it.

    At the same time, Kylo Ren will have his KoR and may look to expand them further - providing the Jedi vs "Sith" element to the war...
     
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