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SPOILER The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I (Via JediPaxis)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Sep 17, 2019.

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    This first section makes it appear as if Chewie is dead, but I can almost guarantee that, if this account is accurate, that it's an intentional misdirect by the filmmakers.
     
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    Jason Ward talks about this in the most recent podcast and does state it is a misdirection
     
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    Why this would need to be stated outright confuses me, but whatever.

    I wish we didn't have to keep waiting to see the rest of this because I'm hoping that there will be some clarification of stuff that didn't make a lot of sense previously and also overlap with/clarification of stuff that Jason Ward has talked about.
     
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    That's it, this actually sounds lie it could be real and I'm not going to ruin it for myself the way I did for TFA by reading the call sheets ahead of time. Once I realized what was going on, I knew what was coming next. The movie was still enjoyable but lacked any surprises.

    Now I just have to log off and stay off until December....
     
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    I honestly think this is fan fiction.
    Not because it’s bad, but because it looks like a try to put together the little we
    know from different official sources (Vanity Fair behind the scene video included) and some “possible” leaks (some of them had changed meaning, nuances at least 3 times) that may or may not be true.

    I don’t buy it.
     
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    Me either. JJ isn't even done editing. Most of the stuff in the leak is stuff already known with maybe a few leaks.

    And again nobody leaked the title. Nobody leaked Palpatine being in TROS and there are so many other things. This is a planted fake leak.

    Yet there is this type of security. https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/mark-hamill-star-wars-episode-ix-script-secrecy
     
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    I agree, always have a pinch of salt ready. It just seems weird to me that we haven't gotten significant plot leaks of Mando. Yet we're less then two months from release. Especially with plot leaks like these, it's way to detailed for it to be legitimate. Also, there is this disclaimer.
    "Disclaimers:

    1. Due to the fact that The Rise of Skywalker is currently going through a round of additional photography and the basic nature of leaked information in general, I cannot guarantee that everything you read here will make it to the final cut of the film just as I describe, but I feel highly confident in the accuracy of my information at this point in time based on the current state of the film.
    2. I will also tell you that due to increased activity of other leakers such as Making Star Wars or Bespin Bulletin, not all of what you will read here will be new information, but I will tell you that my plot summaries are assembled exclusively from my own sources, so any similar/identical information to other reports can (and in my opinion, should) be used as corroboration of the validity of both sources.
    3. I am going to be making 3 'updated and expanded' plot summary posts split up into 3 acts releasing over the coming days/weeks. These are not official act breaks, this is just how I would break the film up into 3 parts. "
    While the details maybe quote un quote right where exactly it lands in the film would be way off. I find it hard believe that someone knows this much that's outside Lucasfilm; even MSW doesn't know THIS much.
     
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    I don't think the guy is lying. Even though not fully parallel, Jason from MSW says he's hearing the same 'beats' but just coming from diffrent angles. Do I think this is a full conclusive rundown? Nope, it's just rough notes in a yet to be completed story. Also Jason suggests recent reshoots have been of the Jungle planet and Ach-To in Scotland.
     
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    I don't think he is "lying" either, but given the nature of secrecy from the article that @Bluemilk posted I have to give it a grain of salt. Here is Oscar Isaac on reading EP7 script: "You go to the place, and they have a room with cameras and you sit there and read the script. They're incredibly protective, because nowadays, with however many hundreds of blogs and this and that, people are just ravenous for content. So because of that, there has to be such tight security around it."

    https://www.businessinsider.com/star-wars-episode-7-script-secrecy-2014-12

    Here is Rian Johnson on it: "I typed Episode VIII out on a MacBook Air. For security it was “air-gapped”—never connected to the internet. I carried it around and used it for nothing except writing the script. I kept it in a safe at Pinewood Studios. I think my producer was constantly horrified I would leave it in a coffee shop."

    https://bgr.com/2018/01/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-secret-script-story/

    So forgive me if I am just a wee bit skeptical. 'Cause of this, I don't think it's crazy that he has been giving misinformation from his "sources." Could some nobody at Lucasfilm leak it? Sure, it happened with TFA and I think bits with TLJ. Though, in either case (especially TFA) where the leaks 100 percent correct.
     
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    It's way too detailed to be false.
     
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    JJ has typically been good at keeping things secret, but his track record for Star Wars isn't good. I suspect this because essentially this is Bad Robot making a Star Wars film so there's an extra layer of communication which means more leaks.

    Like TFA once we got to around October 2015 the basic film plot was out there. I quit play too close of attention just so some stuff would be a surprise. I know JJ is doing pick ups, but that's pretty normal for him. They're not making major changes at this stage. This is massaging scenes to get the best performance.
     
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    What way too detailed is there? I've read through and it's not really that detailed. Finn who has the second most screen time on teh whole trilogy hardly has any details. The KoR, Luke ghost is twiddling his thumbs basically.

    Most of it is what was already out there. Some of it is even fan theories I've read mixed in it like Palpatine's grandaughter for example.

    The pic of the Falcon and the cast was shown at Celebration. After celebration suddenly comes, my sources say that the movie begins on a jungle planet. Well, duh they shwed and bascially stated that at celebration.
     
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    I don’t think he’s laying. But that he’s putting together pieces of “official” info with some leaks he’s got. And that those leaks can be at least partially incorrect.

    For instance, the first time he spoke about the Oracle, he said that Kylo ask him about Rey or talk to him about his feelings for Rey.
    Now the context is totally different.
    Meaning at least that at some point his source was partially mistaken or that he knows nothing about the context.
    If so, how does he know entire “lines”?

    I just can’t buy it.

    Or to rephrase I believe that many, many things in this recap are ”interpretations.

    Take the Rey’s necklace bit on Pasaana It was shown in the VF footage. And to me it looks like that JP is trying to use that info to connect some dots or to validate his... speculation.

    But beside that... I don’t see how the reforging of Kylo’s mask may fit this synopsis.

    Sure I’ll wait and see what JP is going to tell about it.
    But I still think that if Kylo is meeting Palpatine so early in the movie, and if he is so fine with Palpatine... it doesn’t fit well with the idea of another (at this poit) quest that may lead him to reforge the mask.

    Also, we know that the good guys meet DO at the blacksmith droid shop he works in.

    But however, I think that we have to wait the trailer to have a better judgment
     
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    Just a reminder: statistically spraking, the vast majority of leakers are lying... so, yeah. That, and whatever sources JP & JW has could very well be lying too.

    And for all we know they might share certain sources that's actually just the same dude spinning his falsehood differently as a number of alter egos for laughs, corraborating his own lies. Alternatively, sources could tell half-truths and white lies to protect their identity and those of their colleagues. Not saying that's definitely the case, but it's worth keeping in mind.
     
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    Rey's necklace from Vanity? I don't remember that.
     
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    Jason Ward does not behave like a "clickbaiter"; he behaves like a legitimate journalist who does not definitively share things and officially label them as Spoilers unless he's 150% vetted them through multiple sources.

    And the fact that his reporting is now starting to dovetail and overlap with that of others should tell people that there's something to what he's been revealing.
     
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    This. 100%.

    @Andrew Waples yes. A picture of Rey wearing the necklace on Pasaana appeared on VF.

    @DigificWriter I’ll say this with all the due respect for JW. I surely believe that he wants to propose himself as a respectable leaker. He’s far from being Mike Zhero (and I say that with a bit of irony towards Mike that I don’t hate at all).

    Howwever JW does that as a full time job. His livelihood - I believe - comes from MSW.
    Therefore he needs to publish stories people will click and read.

    Now - like said - I am sure he's trying to be a reliable source of leaks (not a journalist).
    Meaning that the more people will perceive him as a reliable source the more clicks he'll get, the more money he'll make.

    But the bottom line is...first that he needs to publish stories.
    Not 3 times at day and not every day. But he needs to put something online from time to time.
    The best stories he can possibly get.
    And the second problem is that he works with stuff other people pass him.

    And it's not that he's never been wrong. Most notably with the KOR on Ahch to, before TLJ came out.
    Which is a particularly intresting case, because the videos and the pitcures were 100% genuine but not so clear.
    And the real problem wat that MSW coupled those video and photos with a report from a source explaining the context.
    And it's one of the two: or that source (that explaining the "context") lied or MSW came up with that context...
    In the latter case, they should have said "this is what we speculate may be happening".
    But they didn't say that. They said "a source told us".

    So when it comes to RoS I don't know - and in all honesty I can't know now - what is the real scenario we're dealing with.
    But there surely wasn't too much to talk about, to speculate about before D23.
    And that's... a thing to take into account.
     
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    You may be right, but folks really need to keep in mind TFA. We basically knew the whole movie at this point.

    This idea that JJ is too secretive, things are too secure, etc really doesn't hold up when you think about TFA.

    The closer we got, the more we knew. Well, the more MSW knew.


    TFA leaked despite JJ, despite security, despite things not leaking sooner, etc.
     
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    Conducting oneself like a legitimate journalist doesn't mean being infallible; it means heavily vetting things before reporting on them, taking every step possible to ensure accuracy, and admitting to and apologizing for inaccuracy if it comes up.

    The difference between Jason Ward and "clickbaiters" is that he makes every effort to ensure accuracy but owns up to inaccuracy, whereas "clickbaiters" do not.

    For example, you will never see anybody who writes for We Got This Covered admit that their stories are wrong even if/when those stories are unequivocally proven to be so.
     
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