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The scar that moved

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by YubNubBub, Apr 15, 2017.

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  1. Pastor Barndog

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    If anyone still has issues suspending disbelief over Kylo's scar, think of Luke managing to get a robotic hand from a Rebel medical frigate and imagine the level of medical care that must be available to those near the top of a resource rich FO hierarchy! Between bacta, skin grafts, top surgeons, and access to The Force it mightn't be too far-fetched for a fantasy world.

    Besides, I wouldn't have put it past Emo Kylo Ren insisting on retaining some kind of permanent reminder of his hesitancy to swiftly kill "the girl" - or even adding a scar himself after the fact ;)

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    FWIW a clean slice through the skin on the underside of my wrist (arm vs window as an angry teenager) actually happened to have moved by a good half an inch by the time it had fully healed. (I should add none of my many other scars have ever managed to repeat the feat!)
     
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    It was irony. Just irony. I think the scar discussion is ridiculous.
     
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    For me, it was fair for fans to raise the issue. The scar had moved. However, I am happy with the explanation that RJ has given. He simply felt that the scar in its original place was distracting. I can live with that explanation. Now let's move on.
     
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  5. YubNubBub

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    Nope.

    Moving the scar for "cool" reasons as Rian Johnson has done is a NO.

    Lets next change chewies bowcaster into a bazooka blaster.

    Let's next change Lukes metal hand into a mingun blaster.

    Let's just do what we want.

    A big NO.

    Reality and consistency ADMIRAL OZZEL.

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    Nuff said on this. Justifying inconsistency in story due to a "cool" factor.

    Absurd.

    I have been a SW fan for a LONG TIME. Since I was in diapers. So to change the story due to a cool factor and disregard consistency purposely in story telling is a huge NO.

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    Who cares, it looks cooler now anyways.
     
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    Cough... Leia having memories of her dead biological mother... cough.
     
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    Possible through the Force. You don't know.

    Stop trying to justify this by picking on Episodes 1-6. The difference is Ep 1-6 didn't sacrifice story to be "cool" and if their are consistency issues it was unintentional.

    Completely different so no justification thank you.
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    Also... real believable story MAN when you move stuff around at your whim becuase your the director. *Thumbs Up* We definitely will remember "its just a movie" in theaters while we stare at that scar.

    Just remember while you watch it... RJ moved that scar so it would be "cool".... to sacrifice consistency. Real awesome director man.... real true to the story. Yeah man,, let's move other things.., peoples mouths and eyeballs. Real cool man.
     
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    But it's still a huge inconsistency which baffles me even more since George Lucas went back and in ROTJ he removed Vader's eyebrows and made Anakin's Force Ghost look like Hayden Christensen. He could have cut the mother part of the dialogue or simply not make Padme die straight afer she gave birth to Luke and Leia. He got the tools to fix it and din't use them. Why? At least in Kylo's case we got to know why such a change was made.
     
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    I think Chewie should be changed Gamorean next.

    Whattaya think? Writers privlege, RJ can do it.

    For the record every change GL did was for consitency. Anakins Ghost. More active sarlacc pitt. His changes were all for an immersion storyline and NOT because it was "cool".

    Your completely wrong on this as are anyone who agrees with this behaviour. Washwater fan at best because you support directors privlege and the removal of an immersive storyline for the sake of "cool".
     
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    I'm not for or against this change. I don't care. The change is miniscule enough for most of the viewers to not see. Besides, it may have been stitched in such a way that one side of the scar was pulled more than the other one, thus slightly altering its placement on his face. The end of story. I would also also argue that even half of the changes made in the Special Editions were made for consistency reasons but that's not the topic of this discussion, so I'll just end here.
     
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    Somewhere in this discussion "One Does Not Simply..." meme is hidden. Have at it.

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    On that note, we WILL NOT call out other fans names or with any qualifiers whatsoever because they disagree with us. Stay on target.
     
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    My little nephews love to be Kylo Ren, they used to wear the black mask. Now they can wear the Kylo Ren face mask with a cool scar placement on it. I image the merchandising with the old scar would look ugly.
     
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    Such a waste of time arguing over the most miniscule "problem" in the franchise. Seriously, we are talking about a saga where the Republic's age was changed from a thousand generations to a thousand years between the two trilogies, and this is what bothers you?
    That is arguable to say the least. Like it was mentioned above, Leia having memories of her real biological mother and what happened in ep III was an intentional change for the sake of closure. Or the fundamental altering of the technology and visual style of the OT (for a backstory which takes place a mere 18-31 years before ANH) for the sake of modern visual effects and imagery.
    What about putting rocks in the front of R2? Or changing Ben's scream? What about completely altering ANH's Oscar winning editing, and even the soundtrack for a couple added CGI scenes? What about the infamous "Han shot first"? And so on... Were those changes also made for the sake of consistency?

    And stop giving people "off topic" for bringing up these topics, please. If you are bringing up inconsistency in Star Wars you need to address the other issues as well.
     
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    They were for immersion and consistency.

    But mark my words...

    Im not the only fan upset with how things are going. Try millions of others. Who are about

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    to complete rejection of the entire Sequel trilogy.

    If they go gray, if they continue down the dark path and sacrifice immersion for "cool", then the Sequel Trilogy will reveal itself as an agent of evil against the true canon of Episodes 1-6. It will also not fit in the SW universs, and lore, and multitudes of fans will walk away.

    Mark my words. Vader is coming. He will be relentless, and he has already began to do so.

    GL changes were for immersion, more ships, more lively creatures, I invite you to watch ANH unedited, and then edited, and you will understand all these so called "pointless" changes were made to bring you into the SW universe, and to give it life. The Pod races showing the galaxy at celebration before the Empire, the Coliseum on Geonosis, all delivered to you for an immersive atmosphere.

    If the Sequel trilogy continues as it is, Vader (the brutal fans) will arrive and show no mercy. The rebels will perish, to the point Disney will consider selling SW or discontinuing the Sequels as canon. Mark my words.
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    Leai could use the FORCE. Who is to say she doesn't remember or "feel" her mother?

    The altering of technology? I will have you know it was perfectly done. The Star Destroyers completely fit with what was presented as the previous model in the Prequel Trilogy. The Prequel trilogy featured different types from different makers or did you expect every ship to appear Corellian or as an X-Wing?

    What about putting rocks in front of R2? Without the rocks, he was out in the open unhidden. They would have easily seen him. George Lucas put the rocks there for consitency. Would you like to try again my dear friend? Because you are doing poorly thus far.

    Changing Bens scream was done because again of immersion. GL needed a more defined and intimidating scream to be more realistic, again for the sake of immersion. 0-3. Would you like to rethink your position here yet?

    I could keep going but I rather i invite you to expand your thought process on why these changes were made and appreciate them as a good SW fan should instead of not being able to see past the obvious and reach out for understanding.
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    Yeah so funny man... Im not making any sense at all... so "funny".
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    Come at me ADMIRAL OZZELS. Keep coming with it. I will counter rebuttal everything.

    Have you know I was a soldier in the military. Graduated top 2 percent. Marksman. Tattooed. Wild. I got brown hair, Anakin skills in real life, so have at it.

    Your supporting the DEATH of our beloved Star Wars.
     
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    yeah right, but using the Force to reajust a scar- impossible.
     
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    Wow. You should delete that before anyone sees it. Why would he in the first place?

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    Dude... seriously.. hit "delete". Saying that for your sake.

    Using the force to adjust the scar.... comparing that to someone like Leai who senses people the entire trilogy then doubting she sensed her mother as a child....

    Seriously.... delete.
     
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    Hope that gets fixed.
     
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    Millions of others... Nice statistics you have there. Btw there is nothing wrong with rejecting the ST. Obviously, as a saga expands over time and additional story, there will be some or many aspects that some might not accept.
    Context.
    I'll put it simple: No, it wasn't. The technology and the neo retro gritty look of the OT was completely changed in the PT.
    It was perfectly done in Rogue One and TFA on the other hand. Those two perfectly merged modern CGI with the original look and style of Star Wars.
    And how did he get there in the first place then?
    So according to your logic, "immersion" is an excuse for the changes in the OT. Consider Kylo's scar change an "immersion" change then. It certainly looks more badass now.
    It's a shame that you dodged the other examples I gave you though. I was curious what's the blind Lucas fan's excuse for the imfamous "Han shot first" change...
    Please start using less "you" in your posts. Address the post and not the poster is the rule here. Try having an argument.
     
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    Geeze..i know it's noticeable and all that...but now i'm going to be more drawn to it in the movie because of all this craziness surrounding it. If nobody made such a huge deal about it, i would've watched it, noticed it moved, continued watching with little thought about seeing the scar throughout the rest of the movie. Now, i'm going to be staring at it thinking, "Gosh theres a lot of seriously unhappy people out there right now."

    I get it..it could've, maybe should've, been left alone and kept in the same spot...BUT it will not bother me to the point of ruining the movie for me or making me think RJ is just doing whatever he wants... It's not like they put it on the wrong side and made it into a completely different shaped scar. I refuse to let a slightly moved scar ruin the rest of the movie for me. If it bothers you that much, i certainly am sorry that you won't enjoy the movie as much as everyone else, but that sounds like a 'you' problem. Dwell on this scar until the next tidbit of info comes out that works us all into a frenzy.
     
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