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SPECULATION Those Jedi books actually contain SOMETHING.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, Feb 23, 2018.

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Will you like this story if it would be included in episode IX ?

Poll closed Apr 10, 2020.
  1. Yes.

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  2. No.

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  1. ScumAndVillainy

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    Sorry... taking The Force and breaking it in two(of which Rey is an instrument of one and not the another), is so ludicrous we have hit peak LucasFilm/SW stupidity. It shouldn't even qualify as a spoiler, but come with a warning that the writer was drunk at the time they wrote it.

    You have to be ribbing us right? This isn't like.. real?
     
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    I agree about the "character assassination" of Luke Skywalker and his misuse/under use. It really ruined the sequel trilogy for me and I suspect a lot of other people. With Han, Luke + Leia gone, I just don't care anymore. This isn't the sequel trilogy people wanted and the huge backlash to TLJ is a clear indication of that.
     
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    You have some fun theories and obviously put a lot of thought into this. Sadly I don't think LFL, Disney or anyone who works there will be a quarter of your effort in the story part of EPIX. It will be bland and the twists will feel strained and fake.

    If your theory gets enough support, expect JJ to troll you with a pic or meme telling you your theory sucks. TLJ killed fans love of delving into the possibilities.
     
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    Not only is it ridiculous and silly but you have to read the novel to gain any understanding of where they've gone with the Force.
     
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    They did coordinated their work, Daisy Ridley said today that J.J Abrams actually made a script for ep VII, but also VIII and IX to, so the skeleton (frame) story of the entire trilogy exists from the start actually.

    And within this "frame" they released books like Legends of Luke Skywalker and compass story in this book and Battlefront II to, and talk about "source of power from beyond known galaxy" in the Aftermath, and about Lew'el which gives me some hope.

    I do , however,indeed, fear every day to see J.J.Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy picture themselwes with "Your episode IX theory sucks" ,though...:(

    If they teached us anything,it is that they are ready to throw away(I hope as a mock up) best theories (and amongst millions of fans there must be few 160 IQ old fans with creativity and inquiry talents,hopefully ) only to make it " what would be for dudes most hard to hear", even if this "most hard to hear" makes millions of fans do not take it as a twist jet get cramps in the stomach and can't accept such thing even 3 months after the film( and probably never would if not changed).That includes mr John Williams.

    Yes I fear of "lets give them another one ".

    Untimately, since after they deleivered 2 drunkard radomers, they are again relativisng Rey parents (Rian Johnson himself says its not absolute, John Williams hopes.....) repeating Rey 2 drunkards randmers in ep IX would be actualy another one even more vicious blow.

    thus....
     
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    Well... I wouldn't quite say wasted.
     
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    As a viewer of the film you shouldn’t have to read the novel to know this information. Someone who just watches the film would pretty much have no idea what the Cosmic or The Living Force is. It’s fairly confusing even if you have read the novel.
     
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    I agree its ambitious that film,in order to be understood, requiers book knowledge,jet..it could be sign that additional clarifications would come in ep IX,and is signal that real scenario is complex,not cheap one.

    Example...Luke's bilocation...?

    What was that?

    It requiers reading 2 canon novels to understand it..

    Luke has learned to ride the Tide.

    Tide, or Cosmic Force is governing the universe,like a web.Tide is above power that any Jedi or Sith can master.its above Light and Dark ...and Luke has acheived to ride the Tide trough this web that connects everything outside space and time...He acheived what Elder grandmother told him on planet Lew'el many years before was the ultimate ancient knowledge,acheived only by greatest in the distant past.
     
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    I agree, noone should be required to read the novels and all main themes have to be addressed within the movies, even if only with 1 sentence.
     
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    But..how to explain Luke's bilocation,for instance.? Some didn't needed it. I for myself do need it.
    And..look my previous post..it is logically stratiffied in novels... Luke has obviously learned to ride the Tide.(Cosmic Force).

    ..,it should give us hope that story holds much large camplexity,in layers.
     
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    I meant more the movie novels should not be needed to explain important things and instead 1-2 sentences in the movie. Novels are only there to expand the existing storyline, but not exchange/replace it.
     
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    Behold my friend.You are correct,novels just indicate what is to come.This is the theme of this thread.

    Glimpse by which I will try to demonstrate there is deeper story behind,and is coming...

    I told you how Luke learned to ride the tide...bilocation... judging by books.
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    But..how does Luke on Crait looks?

    He looks about 10 - 15 years YOUNGER.

    Tide is web that is is not bound to time and space.Luke bilocated trough space,from another part of the galaxy,but also ...in time.

    Luke that is fighting Kylo on Crait is just of age when tragedy happened that night in Jedi academy.......

    It is hard to see..but its is there.subtle , deep,and for reason.

    And explanation is coming in ep IX.
     
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    I love your explanation, but the question is if JJ goes this way. We had so many good ideas before TLJ came out where his story may go. I'm right now just sceptical about everything good coming for Luke's character going forward (hope you understand this). If I'm proven wrong, I would be the happiest person ever. :)
     
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    Wowzer! All that I did not know. I think it unlikely to explored in IX as it's very esoteric and, to be honest, best contained to written paraphernalia.
     
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    You mean what is contained in the books Rey has taken with herself in the film is esotheric.?
    But it certainly is.

    What if Rey would,I dont know,make strange things....read those books?

    :cool:
     
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    I do think the books contain knowledge but as Yoda said, nothing that Rey doesn't already know. Rey doesn't know that though. She went for help, didn't get much from Luke so she checked out some books from the local, branch library she thought would help. Don't think it is much more than that.
     
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    Not "know," but "have." She has a spirit of a true Jedi, as Snoke says during their encounter, but she still has a lot to learn. And books will contain the information that she needs to learn in order to gain whatever abilities she will posess in IX.
     
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    Agree. She will probably also owe some late fees too.
     
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    Not to mention the backbone of the fan community and the only actor who cared enough about the fans to attend conventions and fanmeetings over the decades. Mark Hamill is the true highlight of every SW convention. I can only imagine how wonderful it would be to hear him talk about Luke if he actually liked what they did with his character.
     
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    Those books are the last hope. They contain secret recipes that inlcude fish, green milk and Porgs. Rey will now be the last chef.
     
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