Thoughts and Opinions on TROS' Story

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So true

 

I don't understand. With this ST people seem to "criticize" the 2 Abrams's movies from being rehashes but it seems that people don't want to see that TLJ is the most evident rehash of the 3 movies. TLJ and ESB are exactly the same movie. Just don't get it.

 

TLJ is not exactly ESB.
TLJ is ESB, ROTJ, TPM, and AOTC combined.

And folks really need to get over this whole "copy" thing with Star Wars.
The Skywalker Star Wars saga is a chiastic narrative. Every film is refraining parts of films that came before it - even in the OT. ROTJ is ANH inverted, and the second half of ESB is literally the first half of ESB in reverse.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Palpatine won. His family, his genes continue while Skywalker's died out. Eventually another Palpatine will go dark. Palpatine himself likely transferred the Sith into someone or something with all that Force lightening. He never does anything without a backup plan.

Not sure why Disney let Kennedy kill there cash cow Skywalker Saga. Stupid.

 

Except that's not what happened in this story.
That's what happened in your mind.

And Lucas personally picked Kennedy because of their multiple decade working relationship and has had several long discussions with Kennedy before and after handing everything over.

Hate it all you want, by all means.
But don't claim it was a straight cash grab with no interest in the art.

If they wanted a cash grab only, it would just be TFA and R1 on repeat and never bothered deviating to TLJ or TROS' styles.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Exactly. It's what I think about TFA for exemple. It's a beautiful combination of TPM, ANH, ESB and ROTJ (for me less visible than TLJ). And TFA it's a beautiful tribute to all OT planets (desert, snow, forest) and a masterpiece. I have spoken.
And yes, It would be silly if all the films from the saga didn't have this refraining parts.

But yes, we really need to get over it. Just tired of old news Abrams remaking and whatever.

Cheers

 

Luckily, in this respect, we can finally be done listening to such complaints because only the Skywalker saga needed to do this chiastic pattern (and it wore the crap out of its creators...all - including Lucas - have talked of how hard it is), so there's no reason to expect it going forward beyond simple light nods here and there.

Mando isn't a narrative couple with anything, for example, and considering how hard chiasms are to write, I'm betting Disney will take a solid break from it.

And Star Wars will do more EU-ish type stuff of just exploring the universe through stories.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Thoughts:
-Why was dead Rey not disappearing ?
-Snoke went from super villain to experiment of sith witchery.meh.
- where is Lukes green saber ?!
-Sith troopers were losers.
- KOR were criminally underused.
-Ben vs KOR should have been much longer and more epic.
-movie was too fast.slower and fewer scenes would have been cool.
-watching Kylo on Exogol i imagined how nice it would have been if the ST would have started with Luke killing the emperor on Exogol but being killed by his apprentice.ST then could have been emperors apprentice vs Ben Solo.

 

Why Qui-Gon and Anakin/Vader didn't disappeared?

Did Rey really died? Not sure, and if she did we all know from previously movies that not all the jedi disappears.

 

She was dead. Qui-Gon and Anakin not disappearing needs further explanation.

 

I enjoyed it.

Abrams did the best he could to tie things all together, even if the pacing wasn’t the best, I think he got through the story as well as he could.

I suspect had he been in charge for episode 8 he would of revealed the Emporor still being alive at the end of that, that would have been the ending of the episode and they’d of left that as a cliffhanger to be picked up in episode 9. The fact he had to use the crawl to reveal palpatine’s survival suggests as much.

 

You could argue that none of them died in the act of voluntarily giving their life like Obi-?Wan, or naturally at the end of a long life like Yoda.

Or it could just be that it’s a mystery how long after death a force ghost will appear.

 

First off, welcome to the Cantina. I think that the way you view Star Wars likely is perfect. I think that you not having hardcore knowledge is a benefit when watching these movies. I think it keeps you getting bogged down in trying to sort out all the details. As kids we watched with amazement and wonder and that is why we enjoyed it so much. I think as we have gotten older we have gotten away from that and now SW is losing some luster for some. Although I consider myself fairly knowledgeable I still try to go into the movie with the wonder and amazement I did as a child. I think that allows me to enjoy it more. However, that doesn’t stop me from having in depth discussions about it. I look forward to hearing more of your views.

 

I said that "at least some of" TROS was a rehash of ROTJ. TROS has plenty of original elements like looking for gadgets, a lot. I think TFA is the worst:

Secret data is trying to be returned to rebel leadership
Data is stored in droid
Young "nobody" hero from desert planet finds droid
Young hero leaves desert planet on Millennium Falcon
Meets up with Han and Chewie and then and then get involved with rebellion
Young hero discovers ability to use the force
Young hero's mentor is killed by villain in all black with black helmet and red lightsaber
Spherical planet destroying super weapon
Super weapon destroys planet
Super weapon destroyed by X-wings attacking special weak spot

There are probably more I've forgotten.


TLJ does it too but I think it's not as bad as TFA and certainly not the worst offender:

Crait is battle of Hoth
Training with Luke is kind of like Luke training with Yoda but training is training. It's not like you can make it all that different. Also, Luke is nothing like Yoda.
The whole FO fleet chasing the rebels is new.
DJ is like Lando without helping the heroes in the end.
Breaking into the Star Destroyer is new
Killing the "emperor" in the middle movie is new.

TLJ is probably the most original, and I'm not a huge fan of it.
I am totally open to be corrected though. How is it "exactly" TESB? In what way?

 

I haven't read the previous 25 pages of comments, but wanted to add my thoughts. So I am sure it will be repetitive to what some other people have already said. Before I get into it, I just want to establish that I am NOT a sequel trilogy hater. I loved TFA and really enjoyed TLJ, despite their weaknesses. I was really hoping that TROS would bring this trilogy together and make it a solid, cohesive story. Unfortunately, I think it did the exact opposite.

As an individual movie, I think TROS was a mess. It's like JJ decided to try to hide the lack of plot with a bunch of fast paced action. It jumped from one McGuffin to another (we have to find a clue on Passana, now we have to find someone to translate the clue, now we have to find a Sith wayfinder...). The movie had a lot of unbelievable convenient coincidences to make things happen (they conveniently figure out the dagger is a map of the Death Star and happen to be standing in the exact right spot for it to work, 3PO can't translate the dagger, etc.). Palpatine's return was shoehorned into a single movie when it should have been built up over multiple movies. There are a lot of other problems. I feel like the characters in the movie even call out the movie's problems a couple of times, like when Finn asked Poe how he knows how to hot wire an alien speeder he presumably has never seen before.

Looking at the movie within the context of the sequel trilogy, it really spotlights the lack of planning and cohesive story. LFL had two very different directors with very different visions make the trilogy, and gave them free reign to go in their own opposite directions. TLJ ignored a lot of what TFA set up. TROS seems to go back on major plot points that TLJ established. The end result is an in-cohesive mess. I don't really blame the directors. I blame the producers. I realize that the OT was written on the fly, but it had one person (George Lucas) overseeing it and making sure it aligned with his vision. GL laid out the story for the PT before making TPM. I feel like Kathy Kennedy should have had someone (either herself or someone she appointed) have enough power over the directors to make sure they stuck to a cohesive story across all three movies, but she did not. Ultimately, I feel the problems with the ST are Kennedy's fault. In the past, I have not agreed when people said that Kennedy should be replaced. At this point, I do think she should be replaced. I think she has shown herself incapable of leading a property such as Star Wars.

 

Everyone who has disappeared in a movie were characters who were ready for their death, were at peace, and were ready to let go of being alive.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Accidental quote please ignore