Thoughts and Opinions on TROS' Story

Something that came up to me about Rey's parentage... I think that the dates don't really add up for her to be Palpatines granddaughter... More like great granddaugher...

1. Palps was at his 50s in the prequels...
2. If he had a son, wouldn't he be born before the events of ROTS?
3. So if he had a son, he should be older than Luke and Leia.
4. Yet in the flashback, that takes place when Luke and Leia are around their 40s-50s, we see a guy clearly in his 30s, while Rey already is 6-7 years old...

Was he a clone? Was he adopted? Was he born around the events of the original trilogy?

The only answer that makes sense is him being born after the events of the original trilogy, so maybe somehow Palps "created" him like Anakin but he strayed from the plan and became rogue?

 

I have not been one of those people who publicly denounce TLJ but I agree that what TROS became is mostly determined by choices RJ made for TLJ. JJ did the best he could. Although I would have preferred that there is no Kylo redemption. But then again, I might be damaged by watching years of GOT and becoming a jaded cynical ass who likes depressing entertainment.

 

I feel that GOT changed the way we see this kind of movies forever... Its success with the plot twists, unexpected protagonists' deaths and dark tone showed the producers that there were people who want darker and adult themes.

But this can't be the case all the time and certainly not in every movie. You can't have GOT type Marvel movies or Star Wars movies because they have to apply to a wider audience and get the PG-12 rating...

The funny thing is that when GOT started becoming more mainstream and attracting more people, it became another typical dungeons and dragons tale...

 

Rey's parents were nobodies, because they chose to be. So Kylo was right, from a certain point of view.

 

From a certain point of view?

 

This what I don’t get about our fan base. We seem to only be able to suspend belief about certain things...

A ghost lifts a space ship from the bottom of the ocean with magical powers... yup that checks out...

Wait, that thing flew and it had wet wires!... now that’s a bridge too far!

I get your point, but this is a sci-fi movie, suspension of belief it table stakes. I just assume if they can make a ship that can travel through hyperspace, surivive in the radiation of space and is hearty enough to deal with the wide array of atmospheres in a universe, waterproofing isn’t beyond their grasp.

 

Well, I got my Bendemption and my Reylo, but what the heck was the rest?

I feel like I got not just spoon-fed the pew-pew, but force-fed the pew-pew so I wouldn't notice how utterly lacking in substance this was.

 

It's not that I really care, my dream scene for TLJ had Luke surfacing the X wing to go and help the Resistance in Crait, but I just mentioned it because the other guy said about the other mistakes...

 

By the way, how the hell did Palpatine survive falling down a vertical shaft which led down into the core of Death Star II, and also survive Death Star II's destruction in the vaccuum of space over the Forest Moon of Endor?

Ridiculous to include Palpatine in TROS and as stupid as bringing Darth Maul back after his own fall at the end of TPM.

 

After the first viewing I would have said "Not at all", after my second viewing I'm with "sometimes". You have to accept alot of stuff for given. It's an convenient, but convoluted story. It felt like a video game plot, without room to breathe.

TROS could easily have been the whole plot of the ST. Especially the moment of Kylo getting redeemed on the DS wreckage would have been a nice cliffhanger for a possible EPVIII.

 

Since Vader and Luke had time to evacuate the Death Star, the Emperor had too... How he survived the fall is a mystery, but we are talking about the absolute Force user in the galaxy, he could have done it with a thousand ways...

I am surprised that there is such negativity about the Emperor being alive, when most people love the EU and in the EU he was pretty much alive...

 

Chris Terrio said in a recent interview that they managed to bring back Palpatine without undermining Anakin's sacrifice in ROTJ. Was he joking or what?
It absolutely undermined it and made it worthless.

If they at least hinted how he managed to survive and in what form that would be ok. It really is an elephant in the room and you cannot leave that kind of information for fans to judge and contemplate because it changes the whole OT conclusion.

 

I'd give TROS a 6/10.

A fun film and although I enjoyed for the most part, I did think the first 40 minutes were too rushed and it felt like JJ was trying to course correct the trilogy in the direction he had intended for it. Not that that was a bad thing and although I'm glad he came back to make this film, it was always going to suffer from the direction of TLJ.

So overall I am a little disappointed with the ST, loved TFA, hated TLJ with TROS in the middle. Lucasfilm should have put a plan/story in place from the beginning. I'm not sure why JJ didn't make/write TLJ, whether he wasn't asked or if he was burnt out after making TFA. If it was due to the pressure of reintroducing Star Wars after so long with TFA, it might have been wise to have a 3 years gap between these films to give the creative team a break before continuing the saga.

Still I was significantly happier leaving the cinema yesterday than I was two tears ago!

 

Actually that is the problem because those EU stories are a wacky mess.

 

I know but most fans seem to love them...

 

That was a panic move because RJ killed Snoke. Kylo Ren didn't have the evil aura of the big bad guy.

 

Not only did Hux never want to join them, he only wanted Ren to fail, but you can't let Hux 'the deatroyer of worlds' get away and blow up thousands of stormtroopers in the very next scene.

That being said, I couldn't have been more relieved that he we didn't get flaming Hux, but flaming Pryde instead. Hux's motivation always has been personal, he wasn't that brainwashed tool of Snoke or Palps that some made him out to be.

 

Should’ve posted this here:

Unfortunately, I describe this installment as a disjointed, hot mess. I think it makes the whole ST weaker. The whole story came out of right field. Explanations for Snoke, Rey, Paply’s return felt rushed, undeveloped, and extremely random. There are a variety of strange plot devices. The Ben-demption is half-baked and ends jarringly. It seems like they didn’t have any good ideas for how to eliminate Palpy. To me, this movie diminished the value of TFA and especially TLJ. Considering how bloated TROS is, it looks like their piecemeal creation of the ST was a huge mistake.

Could sum this movie up as — “The Emperor returns only to be struck down by his own spawn granddaughter who now calls herself a Skywalker.”

 

1. The majority of Star Wars fans do not hate The Last Jedi, and liking it has nothing whatsoever to do with political or philosophical viewpoints.

2. JJ Abrams not only knew every single detail of Rian Johnson's story, he fully supported that story, so this idea that he came in and rewrote, threw out, or retconned what Johnson did is nonsense.

3. There is nothing in The Last Jedi that is "disrespectful" to established Star Wars lore or characters in any way, shape, or form. Period.

I've learned that it's better not to engage with people who can't think rationally about The Last Jedi, but when provably false things are being regurgitated as if they're 'gospel', a response is warranted.

 

I went in with no expections of what should happen, I went in with no expectations of what I didnt want to happen. I suspended disbelief.

I also consider TLJ the greatest Star Wars movie of all time. This did not diminish the TLJ story for me.

I exited elated as did my family. Did we have issues? Sure, we always have issues. The biggest issue was pace. Now normally when I hear that it is spots where a movie moves to slow. The movie simply could have been say 10 minutes longer to allow just a little more time in places. Simple little things. Example on Passana shows them arriving then instantly it seems walking toward the party. Now on subsequent viewings that will probably be a good thing.