TLJ excellent ratings on IMDB - 282K+ votes

ROTS above Empire? You must really like General Grievous and Buzz Droids!

 

Sorry, I'm used to getting barked at for not loving TLJ. I'm not used to fellow posters being okay with a differing opinion. I do think ROTS was the best of the prequels and I do enjoy it more than TLJ. ESB isn't my number one either, so you're not bothering me with your ranking!

 

LOVE IT OR I WILL BARK AT YOU!!! WOOF WOOF!

This is my number one...shhh don't tell anyone.

 

Thousands of people are still a very tiny minority when you look at how many people in total go watch the film.

And you're still just looking at one side of the spectrum. Even if "one person voted 700 times in the poll because they hated the movie so much" is completely made up, who's to say that there aren't just as many (or more) fans who's voting multiple times in repeat because they love the movie so much?

A) This is your opinion.

B) It is the most divisive Star Wars film ever, TFA wasn't that divisive since the criticizers were willing to accept it if the next film was good.

C) Your opinion, again.

Also, saying "they're loud, they're motivated" is a very childish way of handling criticism. Your own opinion overshadows your ability to think. There are people on both sides who are loud and motivated.

 

Did you block out The Phantom Menace debacle? "It was if millions of voices cried out in terror...."

 

Pathé Netherlands 4.4/5 audience polling.

You'll have to eliminate the 1/10 and 10/10 votes to get a more reliable statistic. But I agree, the activistic "fans don't like this movie" narrative is hilariously misguided.

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Yep, ordinary audiences have embraced this movie, yet here we are having to listen to radical Star Wars fans who mistake reception for activism.

 

Now THAT'S a sad statement! I bet you have this on blu ray and watch it every week??

 

Current user scores update (January 12)
Douban (China) 7.3 out of 10
Allocine (France): 2.8 out of 5
Yahoo! Movies (Japan): 3.72 out of 5 (ties Attack of the Clones)
MyMovies (Italy): 2.56 out of 5
Daum (S. Korea): 6.0 out of 10
Filmaffinity (Spain): 6.3 out of 10
IMDb: 7.5 out of 10 (3rd worst rated SW live-action movie above Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace)
Metacritic: 4.6 out of 10
Rotten Tomatoes: 3.0 out of 5 (49% liked)

IMDb weights its user scores as well. Here's the current unweighted scores:

1) The Empire Strikes Back 8.6 (8.8 weighted)
2) A New Hope 8.6 (8.7 weighted)
3) Return of the Jedi 8.3 (8.4 weighted)
4) The Force Awakens 8.0 (8.0 weighted)
5) Rogue One 7.9 (7.8 weighted)
6) Revenge of the Sith 7.6 (7.6 weighted)
7) The Last Jedi 7.2 (7.5 weighted)
8) Attack of the Clones 6.7 (6.6 weighted)
9) The Phantom Menace 6.5 (6.5 weighted)

 

It is hilarious how the greatest criticism to The Empire Strikes Back was "it was too much like the first one" and "It was too depressing". Those were the golden days

 

This might be a difficult conversation for us to have if you don't understand polling science. A controlled sample of thousands should be enough for a sound poll.

The website looked at IP addresses and filtered out the duplicates. A single user from Australian IP voted 700 times.

You can make this personal if you wish, but it doesn't change the facts.

 

What's this? Plebescite?

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They cannot be trusted. Trust your own reception and that of the critics. Who cares about these activists. They think that if they all go on the internet and put a 1/10 the movie suddenly becomes bad. That's not how it works in the real world.

 

I'm not trying to convince someone who hates the movie with a religious passion to like the film. There's no accounting for taste. However, for those who are truly interested in polling science and are interested in what people really think it's a valuable to explain what sources they can trust.

 

I understand polling science perfectly. This might be a difficult conversation if for us to have if your only interest is to affront your opponents.

In poll science, in order to reach a believable "bell curve" you have to collect samples over a longer period of time.

A controlled sample of thousands is usually justifiable, but as I mentioned before those polls only asked people during opening weekend which makes the poll result skewed. You can choose to overlook this fact if you want, but it doesn't change it.

It's certainly not the RT score though.

One widely circulated story about an anonymous individual who runs the Facebook page “Down With Disney’s Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys” claims that this person created bots to manipulate the Rotten Tomatoes score. But Benson and other company reps I spoke to dismissed such claims as nonsense. Although anyone can post whatever they want on the site in the effort to drive ratings either up or down, Rotten Tomatoes has nearly two decades experience at identifying and controlling for such efforts to push the scores in one direction or another

All attempts at trying to explain the RT score as being created by bots or fake users have been debunked. Funny how you were trying to belittle me by saying that I should check my news sources better, when you're the one reading fake news.

What facts? You're just looking at one side of the spectrum. You're the one repeatedly refusing to listen. It's fine though, I'm not here to lecture anyone.[/QUOTE]

 

I have a background in economics and statistics so you don't have to explain polling science. Thousands of people in a survey enough for a sound poll. If you want to measure the audience reaction later then fine. Cite scientific poll later.

This is a change of subject. I cited the SWNN poll. I'm not discussing the RT poll further. It's been discussed and dismissed by all logical parties.

Agree to disagree and move one. Obfuscating and changing the topic isn't really helpful. There's simply no convincing evidence that more than a super minority of people hate the film. Every scientific poll supports this fact. The vast majority of fans, critics, and audience like/love it.

 

You're no fun. You still haven't replied me regarding the fact that those polls only asked people during opening weekend. These types of polls have a track record of handing out highly positive user scores for almost every film. They have certainly played out their role.

Which logical parties? You're a conspiracy theorist. Just read this recent article regarding people liek you:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...edi-has-tumbled-to-a-rotten-49/#3e4787313f45^

"With regard to that very low audience score, quite a few conspiracy theorists ignored the overwhelming evidence that many moviegoers disliked the film, and circulated accusations of organized vote campaigns designed to drive down the film’s scores, despite the absence of any credible evidence to support this notion"

You're NOT supported by any logical parties. I will not judge you for liking the film however, that's your opinion. You love it, good for you.

 

Claim:

Here was my response that you missed in regards to your issue of time:

This is hyperbole. comScore can be measure against other films. I guess you're attempting to argue that 89% of people told comScore that they liked the film and then a huge portion of this sample suddenly hated the film later on?

Says the guy arguing against science.

 

Because people who watch a film during opening weekend are filled with a different kind of excitement compared to your average peeps. However, bad WOM will always catch up, which is showing with TLJ:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...edi-has-tumbled-to-a-rotten-49/#3e4787313f45^

"The Last Jedi's score decline may not yet be finished. Its Audience Score was in the mid-50s just three weeks ago, and has been falling steadily ever since. The Critics Rating has been dropping too. I wonder what the conspiracy theorists have to say about that."

I'm not, science is on my side, your only way of defending yourself at this point is to insult your opponent. Sorry, it's not working. "You have lost", like Mace Windu said.

 

The article you are citing is the debunked RT score.

You would help your argument if you quit citing unscientific sources.

 

It's not debunked at all. All in all, it sounds like you're a conspiracy theorist.

And I'm not citing unscientific sources, I'm citing a news article talking about the actual statistics.

Where are your links? You have provided zero sources.

Good luck.