TLJ excellent ratings on IMDB - 282K+ votes

did you just say King Kong isnt an all time classic? King Kong. 1933. Not a classic.

by that rationale, Star Wars isnt a classic. Just another b movie, right?

 

Right? I've seen some BAD movies, and I know some movies are BAD without even seeing them ('Trolls', 'Madea', 'Whatever Adam Sandler has done in the last two decades') and it never occurred to me to downvote/dislike/flame/troll online about it.

If I didn't like it, I just didn't revisit it.

It's simple. But this does seem conveniently coordinated.

 

At RT the user rating has to be 3,5/5 or higher to be counted as "fresh". This means that half of the viewers on RT rated the movie 7/10 or higher. As you can see the IMDb and RT ratings are not that different.

 

I don't think anyone is arguing that TLJ isn't more divisive than TFA. Clearly there's a very vocal and motivated minority upset with the film. That's why people are crazy enough to vote 700 times on an online poll.

Basically one way to look at online polls is this: how easy is it to vote multiple times?

The RT score is easy to vote over and over which is why it has 80k more votes than Rogue One. If someone is crazy enough to screenshot "49%" and tweet it over and over towards anyone related to Lucasfilm it's not a stretch to imagine them voting over and over. It's more difficult to SPAM vote at IMDb, but it still can be done. So it stands to reason IMDb's poll would be less gamed than RT.

 

Yes, SW is a b-movie. Look up the term, study Hollywood history if you have the time.

This has nothing to do with one's personal opinion on what the 'classics' are and strictly to do with film finance/production/studio slate management. Enjoy.

 

Actually several of those movies are "all-time classics"

- Enter the Dragon - One of the most influential movies of all time and is universally the best works of Bruce Lee. It's just as iconic as SW. It's the holy grail in the martial arts world and is what help marital arts (especially Kung-Fu) to become mainstream. That movie influence pop culture just as much if not more than SW (from professional athletes, to video games, to music, etc).

- Night of the Living Dead - Very iconic. Hello! George A. Romero anyone? He practically created the modern zombie crazed. Look at juggernaut of the tv show The Walking Dead. Regardless how you feel about that show, it's still one of the most watch shows that is currently available. Night of the Living Dead and the other zombies movies he made is just as iconic as SW.

- Ghostbusters - I haven't yet found anyone who legitimately dislike the movie and is a timely movie that holds up well by today standards. Iconic theme song and one of Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray's best work. Now if you're talking about the re-make, then you have a point.

- Superman - Christopher Reeve practically IS super man. He as much as Superman as Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man. People to this day still compare all of the various actors who played Superman to Christopher Reeve version. Even Henry Cavill is still being compared to him and some people still doesn't like Henry Cavill version.

To say that list doesn't have "all-time classics" is wrong unless you don't pay attention to pop culture which SW has heavily influenced as well.

 

That post was made for educational/informational purposes in response to a post trying to equate TLJ's rating with 'other classics'.

Go back, reread, and note the part about post-2005 rating inflation and how those 'classics's ratings charts look WRT to the score-inflation trend described in said post.

Also, regarding the bold part, it's probably a good idea not to add passive-aggressive snipes like that when for all you know the person you're talking to might just know way, way, waaaaaay more than you about pop culture. If the person is mean, they could go all out to embarrass you. It's generally a good idea to treat others with respect always.

And all of the 'justifications' in your post are - to put it very kindly - extremely weak. No one who had even a moderate grasp on pop-culture could ever take any of your justifications seriously in a discussion. At best they would just politely smile.

Superman is a classic "because Christopher Reeve is the point of comparison for all actors in the role?" That's it? A mean person would laugh at you and call you an idiot. Nothing about JW's score and the leitmotifs he used or his being robbed at the Oscars that year? Nothing about how they knew how 'comic book characters' were generally perceived at the time (Yes, even Superman) and how they fretted about how to imbue the character with legitimacy to the point where they felt they had to up the religious undertones? Nothing about how they hired the author of The motherf!%#ing Godfather to write the script? (he wrote so much they decided they had two movies' worth and shot Superman I and II at the same time) Nothing about Can You Read My Mind? making it onto the Billboard charts that year? I'm going to wager you've never heard the lyric version of Can You Read My Mind? Nothing mean intended, but I have a feeling you haven't.

So where you can't be blamed is that you're talking without knowing much about the the subjects at hand. Take your own example of ETD where you claim it's a 'classic because it's influential'. Again, mean people who know what they're talking about would flat out laugh at this and call it stupid. Influential = classic? Even I sighed.

I'll try and give you a hand though. It's impossible to even try to argue that ETD is a classic without at least mentioning two things:

1. the mass outpouring of 50s and 60s martial arts films in Asia and the cultural (hint, think Fist of Fury) soil from which they were coming from.
2. the US post-war generation's attitude towards Asians after WWII and the Korean war and to a certain extent Vietnam (hint, it wasn't very positive)

On the surface, Enter the Dragon was the first major Hollywood attempt at giving the martial arts genre major western exposure via an English-speaking main character. The studio saw all these martial arts movies being made in Asia, and thought 'hey, let's try that now that we've got this Bruce Lee guy'. Here you have to mention the Kung-Fu Lee/Carradine incident and how Warner Bros. goes in the opposite direction and puts its faith in a substantial project with an Asian main character. ETD was also given one of the biggest marketing pushes of all time at that point. They hired one of the hottest film score composers at the time to score the film, the works.

Enter the Dragon was the next generation of Hollywood seeing portrayals of Asians like in Breakfast at Tiffany's and saying, that just won't do. We're going to make this movie, we're going to make damn sure it's good, and we're not going to have this culture laughed at. That's where ETD's pop culture 'influence' comes from.

If you like martial arts films a lot go watch the 50s and 60s ones and learn about where they come from. It's quite bittersweet.

Just trying to give you a hand in case you come up against someone not so nice.

 

SW happen due to a freak accident at the right time, it was suppose to bomb by majority movie studios. I don't see how that's any different than events that help ETD become popular. You can't take that away the fact on how much influence ETD had on our society. the Tarantinos was influenced by them, the hip hop group Wu Tang Clan was influenced by him heck I mean Liu Kang from the very popular video game Mortal Kombat was a practically a digital version of him, not to mention Jeet Kune Do was the forerunner of combat sports like MMA (UFC, Bellator, various other organizations). He has just as much influence to MMA as Royce Gracie has.

My point about George A Romero's Night of the Living Dead still holds true. You can't have any modern day zombie stuff without his movies being a major influence. I'm willing to bet the zombie craze is bigger than SW and you can't deny that. If Christopher Reeves not a standard for Superman, than why does so many people compare other actors to him? many Superman and DC fans has still believe the original Superman is the only good Superman movie.

You haven't yet proved me wrong and you haven't taught me anything new except that you think you're better than everyone and you can't come up with good argument because you made a personal attack. You lose all creditably with me. I wasn't being passive aggressive, I was stating you have a skewed opinion that isn't supported by the majority and credible people. What makes you right? and the whole marital arts world would laugh at you and throw you out of a dojo if they heard your comment about ETD. Don't tell me about martial arts movies from the 50s and 60s, I grew up watching some of them. I grew up watching ETD along with Seven Samurai, Yojimbo and read books like The Book of Five Rings and I use to train in martial for some time (I gave that up). You may think ETD or Night of the Living Dead not an "all time classic" by your standards but famous, successful people and numerous documentaries tells me a different story. You do know Bruce Lee was in the Green Lantern before they made ETD, right? In another group of people, you would be laugh at if not beaten up buddy. Since when did a major influence =/= all time classics? Who made you the authority over that?