TLJ excellent ratings on IMDB - 282K+ votes

why ?
RotS is a fine flick with some damn powerful moments.

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I agree that RotS deserves a higher score.

 

The perception hasn't changed. It was praised back then and now with a dose of nostalgia it's even more praised, almost to the point it's rather overrated. It's rated high on every popular website. Especially the audience scores...

 

A little perspective on IMDB scores:

A "10" is impossible.

Only 4 movies have ever scored over 9.0 (among movies with enough votes to qualify for the top 250)

The Top 250 of all time bottoms out at 8.0

....so, anything scoring over 7.0 is really doing just fine. Sure, some piles of crap like Transformers (7.1) can sneak in there, but many, MANY all-time classics have scores in the 7 range. For example:

Robocop (1987) - 7.5
The Goonies 7.8
The Wrath of Khan 7.7
American Werewolf in London 7.6
Conan the Barbarian (1982) 6.9
Night of the Living Dead 7.9
Enter the Dragon 7.7
The Road Warrior 7.6
King Kong (1933) 7.9
Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) 7.5
Airplane 7.8
Predator (1987) 7.8
Ghostbusters (1984) 7.8
First Blood 7.7
Evil Dead 2 (7.8)
Superman (1978) 7.3
Time Bandits (7.0)

Hell, even movies by undisputed geniuses like Stanley Kubrick (Eyes Wide Shut 7.4, Lolita 7.6) Alfred Hitchcock (The Birds 7.7, Frenzy 7.3) and Akira Kurosawa (Rhapsody in August 7.3, Dreams 7.8) fall in this "terrible" window of 7's.

Conversely, films that I personally thought were complete narrative disasters (Interstellar 8.6) or lesser films from great directors (The Departed 8.5, Shutter Island 8.1) or just awards-show bait (A Beautiful Mind 8.1) indicate that great ratings are often quite disputable.


Long story short: ratings and reviews often have little to do with a film's ultimate legacy. If people are still watching the movie 20+ years from now no one will give two craps what the IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes scores are. Perhaps we should all stop arguing and re-evaluate TLJ in 20 years.

 

If 7.5 stinks, then what are movies that are 4.5 and below? 7.5 is C+ which means average but it's also a passing grade in college. Since when did 7.5 means things suck now? That's why I hate a 10 point scale when it comes to reviews, it distorts things.

 

Most of the movies that I consider masterpieces are scored with 8 and under...movies that I voted as 10. I agree with your statement.

 

No shame in that! Like what you like! I list RO as my favorite from time to time, but most folks think it was a waste of film. Opinions are NEVER wrong.

 

Uh it's 7.5 on IMDb.. that's awful compared to where TFA was at a month after release (roughly 8.1 and in the top 250)

 

^^^ This, times a million.

Also, I've been around when both the PT and the OT came out. I suspect there's some people here comparing trilogies when they were children/not around at the respective times.

Comparing the public reaction of TLJ with the PT is absurd to the point it's laughable. The PT was almost universally hated and it was actually hard to find people who defended the movies at the time (especially TPM). It was common sense that they weren't good and the defense of the prequels actually started a few years after they came out. It's very different with TLJ and in my day-to-day the vast majority of people I talk to about it really liked it (I live in NYC, for reference). In fact, only place I find haters are places where hardcorde fans go to, like here.

Also, keep in mind that online movie review sites attract haters much more than lovers. It's the butthurt hardcore fan that goes on to create accounts everywhere to trash the movie. Lots of people who liked the movie don't go through that trouble at all - because we don't really care. When I saw the RT score I was tempted to write a review, but then I saw I had to create an account and I just left it alone. It's like Glassdoor - the land of people who got fired and created an account to trash their old job.

Hate is a powerful feeling and I feel truly sorry for the ones of you who are consumed by it.

Finally, it seems clear that most of you weren't around when ESB came out. Boy, you'd be in for a surprise.

 

I had this discussion recently with my 24yo son. He said a friend of his mentioned how bad the prequels were, and he went off.

He said "look....TPM came out when I was six years old. It was THE BOMB for me! The Naboo Starfighters were straight up killer, the Queen's ship was amazing! It was really my favorite movie for a long time!"

I felt for the kid. This was in his wheelhouse at the right time. I think a lot of us forget that. I first saw ANH as a 7 year old kid....and it became my world. He saw TPM at 6, and it was his world.

Somewhere, a kid twenty years from now will say "TFA and TLJ were just my speed when they came out!" THAT is broom boy! That is how this works!

But what do kids know?

Much of this junk depends upon a certain point of view mi amigos. "Que la fuerza esté con usted!" indeed!

 

I rate it a 7/10.

And I love it.

 

wha? So its not bots when its positive. Got it. I guess star wars no longer has an actual fandom.

I do wonder though, when people are so hung up on validating their opinions through internet polls. When people need to convince themselves that there aren't a large number of folks with opposing opinions, I wonder about the mind state of the "fandom" in general. Whats with this modern social phenomenon where people require a bandwagon in order to feel comfortable in their own thoughts?

I hated the movie. Tell me I'm the only one. Tell me i'm a part of a minority. Tell me I'm one in a million and i'll tell you that i hated the movie.

 

fair enough. According to the RT poll a majority didn't like it...a lot. So we're essentially right back where we started. Some loved it, some hated it.

 

This was me. I was that guy, and I was one of very, very, very few people back then.
I also liked it for very film geek reasons to do with the cinematography and camera blocking, though, so I wasn't exactly shocked to not be on the same page as others, and I usually started conversations with, "Yeah, I know not many liked it...but I...".
Usually the first response after I said my first bit was, "Yeah, but Jar Jar...", and I would usually say something along the lines of, "I know, but *shrug* eh...It's Lucas...he's a weird dude. There's a part of him that's a little Michael Jackson-ish - Normal, normal, eccentric, normal, genius, amazing, -Wait, back up a minute...what the hell is that about?"

And the usual response to this was something along the lines of, "I guess, but it wasn't good."

*shrug* Eh.


lol

I was converted to Judaism by default of how many times I said, *shrug* "Eh", after The Phantom Menace came out.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

According the Star Wars News Net poll the vast majority of people like the film. The people who don't like are less than 11%. It's a very vocal and motivated minority (one guy voted 700 times), but it's not very big.

The RT score has 170k votes. All you need a few hundred people willing to vote numerous times to influence an online poll. Which is why The Last Jedi has 80k more votes than Rogue One on RT. You don't need bots when people are crazy enough to vote 700+ times.

 

I think it's hilarious people who hate this movie so much have down voted it so many times.
I haven't even cared enough to down vote a single Transformers movie.

 

That's why the world laughs at US grading systems. When the americans come to university in Europe they usually turn into cry babies because they're used to being pampered by inflated grades.

 

If you say so. Where was this super loud minority when TFA was out?
Of course its just crazy people voting over and over and over. It can't be that there are a significant amount of people that honestly didn't like the film.

 

Just a couple of quick FYI:

First, none of those films on the list are "all-time classics". Not a single one. They're well-loved (and excellently executed - I love them all - key word 'executed') B-movies. There's a difference.

Second, for a little bit of IMDB history, look at the release years of the movies listed in the above post.

Around 2005-6 ish (the site as you see it today started around 1999) IMDB started taking seriously a trend where the new internet-generation was discovering/using the site and "underrating" older films and very clearly overrating newer ones.

This was easiest to see on the ratings breakdown chart, where the 'higher rated' movies went from looking mostly like this to looking like this. (The 'shape' and the statistical breakdown are the most important things here.) AKA younger people were seeing movies they 'liked' and giving them 10s and 9s and 8s way out of line with what the community had been doing up until then.

Most importantly, here's what a 'good B-movie' looked like. Note the heavy 7 and 8s and the relative lack of 10s and 9s.

Now look up the corresponding chart for any of the movies on the above list. They will almost all be in the same shape as Temple of Doom. AGAIN, NOTE THE RELATIVE LACK OF 10s and 9s.

Long story short, IMDB noticed all these kids swarming the ratings with 10s and 9s (and 8s) for movies they 'liked', and there was some hoopla around 'should we weight younger voters' votes a bit less, and then let them amend votes later on, etc'/'should we implement a system where only IMDB Pro users can rate films' etc. Ultimately nothing happened.

Anyways, the feeling was that in general* films released past 1996-ish were getting about +0.8 because of this youth vote trend.

*Obviously there were instances of excellent films getting the scores they deserved and crap movies getting rated accordingly. Just that the usual 6.5 movie was getting around 7.2-7.3