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VII left me way more excited for VIII then VIII did for IX

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Josh, Dec 20, 2017.

  1. Josh

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    Am I the only one ?


    As much as I disliked TFA at first the ending always hyped me up for VIII. TLJs ending on the other hand kinda left me with mixed feelings, cause I knew certain characters wont come back or wont be that important to the story.
     
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    Not really sure what Snoke would have added. I mean if he was around we would be talking about another Return of the Jedi scenario. By killing him off it opens up all types of things. As far as Phasma goes....it is just obvious they had no plans for this character. That one is unfortunate, but if they were just going to have her being someones whipping girl what was the point in having her in 9? Leia...will be missed for sure, but they could not have planned on that. And Luke...I mean come on....he will be back as a Force Ghost. If this was going to be Rey and Ren's trilogy, Luke was not going to save the day in IX. I'm not sure what his role would have been. So keep your head up...there is all types of ways this story could go!
     
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    Sorry to hear that.
     
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    No, you aren't. The last Jedi felt like the end of the saga and in my view did way too much. I'm not sure if that will be a good thing or bad thing, but really JJ Abrams has his work cut out for him. Especially, given the divisive nature of this movie which would be foolish not to address. But yeah, Episode Nine for me I am more curious than excited. But then again, when you end your film on Broom boy, it is kind of hard to be excited as that very much felt like a disney moment.
     
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    nope, many fans as well as even so many pro reviewer say it that there is not much left for IX. No excitement or tension to wait for IX.
     
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    TFA felt like a 2 hour + foreplay with no payoff.

    TLJ just felt like weird sex
     
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    As flawed as it was, TFA gave me a renewed sense of hype and excitement for the franchise that lasted for... I'll say right up until I came out of the cinema after watching TLJ.
     
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    I honestly could care less about Episode 9. I never thought this day would come because the hype and leadup to Star Wars is just as much fun as the films. This film was so bad it is on Franchise killing levels for me like Rocky 5, Terminator Salvation, and Batman and Robin 1997. I'm still in shock because Disney was 2 for 2 for me with TFA and R1.
     
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    yep, TLJ was just not the unexpected movie in a good way, it just leaves you without nothing to care for.
     
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    But of course!! TFA left with an awesome cliffhanger literally. With Rey handing the lost Skywalker Saber to the lost Luke Skywalker. Then TLJ left you with a kid sweeping the floor.
     
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    Ditto. That's a shame. Better luck next time!
     
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    You missed the directors cut? The kid hands the broom to Lando....To Be Continued......
     
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    And I don't blame you, man. It is a clear that LF didn't really plan out the ST very well as TLJ felt like it ignored The Force Awakens completely, namely with the map to Skywalker and the setup. And this is coming from someone who didn't like/care for those elements. But hey, JJ's mystery box strikes again.

    And really, LucasFIlm should have been on Rian Johnson to respect that mystery box, much as I don't like it. What I will say is this: JJ Abrams has one heck of a task to fullfil for Episode Nine. And I do NOT envy him.

    And really, if Han Solo is a bad movie which I suspect it might be(I could be wrong), then really The Last Jedi could be that turning point. To be fair, this is me going on a slippery slope. But much as I enjoyed The last Jedi; I am not blind to why people dislike this movie. For there are plenty of issues.
     
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    I mean if Rey beats Kylo, Kylo beats Rey, or they hook up together, does anyone really deeply care at the moment?
     
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    Episode 9 will be just some hamfisted answers to mystery box questions that weren't answered in TLJ or the old 'Kylo Ren was lying' to get them out of Rey's parentage. But the damage has been done, because obviously there was no planning for the 3 movies and very little coordination as these guys made these movies as to what they wanted, and not for what was best for the Trilogy.
     
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    I got it. EPIX starts with us realizing that VIII was all a force vision that Luke had when Rey put the light saber in his hands. Then off JJ goes.

    If Luke throwing the light saber away was RJ basically saying FU to JJ and the story he set up, I think it would be hilarious if JJ went a step further!
     
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    I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further.
     
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    I enjoyed TLJ, but only because of the Legacy characters. I also realized I loved Rey because I thought she would end up being the child of another character I cared about. I still love her character, but it's different now.

    I would also say the ending of this movie felt like the next movie should take place many many years later. A handful of Rebels on the Falcon versus the entire First Order? Leia's distress signal ignored? Am I supposed to believe that Luke's battle on Crait will resonate with an entire galaxy NOW, but his previous heroics were ignored?

    Here's the deal. Disney should have made this trilogy about Han, Luke and Leia. If Disney thought that Mark, Carrie and Harrison couldn't carry a new set of movies, boy were they wrong. THEY ARE THE SEQUELS. My kid is more hyped about a 60 year Luke doing Astral-projection force tricks than he is about anyone else. The magic was still there for these characters. And where the hell is ARTOO??? I guess he doesn't sell toys anymore.

    Now there is nobody left to care about. The new main cast has been given NO BACKSTORY to make me care. Even without backstory, there was very little growth of these characters versus the old cast. We SAW Han change. We SAW Luke change. Hell, we SAW Vader change.
    Kylo getting more spoiled and whiney and Poe doing a Tom Cruise Top Gun impression isn't doing it for me. Finn went from coward to charging at Kylo Ren, back to wanting to jump ship for Rey, all the way to going on a ill conceived suicide mission.

    Again, the movie was enjoyable for me because Mark Hamill stole the show and because Daisy Ridley is so likable.
     
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    LOL. You joke about that, but given the movie's divisive nature, especially for those people who didn't like Luke Skywalker; I could see JJ Abrams pulling something like that to resurrect Luke Skywalker. Really, much as I enjoyed the movie, I do agree that Rian Johnson should have respected Abrams setup. Yeah, I'm not a fan of it, but really for the sake of consistency; this should have been done.

    Because, The Last Jedi thematically is strong, but story wise and even character wise it is kind of weak.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 20, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 20, 2017 ---
    Hence, why I blame LucasFilm and their Story Group. They are a glorified group who barely did anything with the movies, leaving them to their own island. All except Rogue One. Regardless, this trilogy needed to be planned out. The OT didn't do this and you can see the seams, much as I love that trilogy. LF here had a chance to rectify that.

    The Sequel Trilogy to me should have been like Lord of the Rings. All three movies were filmed back to back. And in hindsight, a single director. Whether it be Abrams, Rian Johnson etc. it would have allowed for more cohesion and more consistency. And as you said, the ST at this point is at a critical juncture. Because, when you build up hype on a mystery box only for those payoffs to be downgraded/ chucked aside haphazardly, some people really hate that.

    Personally, I didn't care, except for Snoke in that we should have gotten something about him. A line where he came from. But really, for consistency sake, Rian Johnson should have adhered to Abrams and the Story Group should have done a better job.
     
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