Want 'diversity'? How about LESS damn humans..?

A side film with a alien lead. Rodians, Wookies etc. would be a interesting movie.

 

I fully agree with you 100% my friend. One of the many things that I disliked about TFA was that they seemed to take the coolness of the aliens in SW and tossed it to the garbage. TFA looks almost like a complete human fest and I have to sat that I'm a bit scared that this will continue in upcoming SW movies. It is a bit unrealistic that Humans are responsible for every mayor thing that happens in the galaxy while aliens take a back seat.

When we look at stories about the EU, we see that there are many awesome alien characters that have great backstories and would work excellent in the movies yet nobody seems to dare make a non-human main character. Why not give us a female Twi'Lek as a lead? How about a Nikto as the main character of a movie? Are we doomed to see humans do EVERYTHING important in the galaxy? The story says the Empire was harsher to alien species than it was to humans so wouldn't it be logical that aliens would have taken a greater stand than the humans? When you look at the movies, you don't see any of that reflected there and humans seem to be the ones who are at peril while alien creatures just enjoy their lives.

Storywise we have seen a few things and heard some others about the rolls aliens have taken like Bothans stealing the second Death Star's plans, Sullustans letting their homeworld be the gathering place for the Rebel Fleet, Mon Calamary's bringing their vast ships to fight the Empire ect but still everything seems to be done by humans and that sucks.

There are so many cool alien characters out there yet so far it seems it's just going to be human this and human that. Why not make a movie about Ahsoka or Cad Bane instead of giving us a Obi Wan or a Han Solo movie? Why not expand the conflict by giving us an awesome movie about the Morgukai fighting the Sith or one of the main characters being a Rodian, Quarren or a Trandoshan? If they are worried about these characters not having facial expresions that people can relate too then why not make Iktotchi, Togruta or a Phindian like Moralo Eval?

I would also prefer a Cad Bane movie than a Boba Fett one but I really don't think Disney is going to drop the ''human'' lead factor any time soon. I have gotten a tiny bit of my hopes up for Rogue One as it has been rumored that Cad Bane and the Bounty Hunters from TESB might be there but I really hope that turns out to be true as I was indeed bummed when I first saw the RO trailer and it looked just like TFA in that it was a human fest.

 

It would be super cool to see some more alien race characters in lead or support roles of substance in the upcoming films, on that, me and OP agree...

But that new star trek movie? Ugh. Garbage. There's a reason JJ called the last one "into darkness." because he must have known this was coming.

 

we could certainly use more deathstars!

 

First of all, the FO is not the Empire.

Yes, the Empire had no problem with the inquisitor being alien, for example. And new canon has Mas Amedda as Imperial Grand Vizier. Moreover in the new canon novel "Tarkin" the Emperor appeares to not be very xenophobic, and much more meritocratic.

However the Lucasfilm Story Group had worked out that the Empire in the new canon is not "openly" xenophobic. So yeah, that means the Empire isn't uniformly xenophobic now, but you can see it in "Rebels", or the new canon book "Servants of the Empire" also- many of the Imperials were committed xenophobes and treat aliens like blast. And in wookieepedia it says that within the Empire, non-humans were routinely subjugated, the Empire also discouraged the learning of alien languages and cultures, and sought to impose high 'Imperial standards' for its citizens. The First Order is even more radical than the Empire. Quoting wookiepedia

About thirty years after the Battle of Endor, xenophobia appeared to have resurfaced in the propaganda and labor policies of the First Order, an Imperial remnant that emulated the "Old Empire". Propaganda news feeds from the First Order's High carried reports of the New Republic tolerating unchecked alien advances throughout the Outer Rim Territories

And
Despite having Force-sensitives within its ranks, the First Order did not employ the use of Sith or Inquisitors like its predecessor.

 

I really don't know but it was in some book.

 

wasn't it (the anti-alien "philosophy" of the FO) hinted in Before the Awakening? The why is because the Empire did it and why the Empire did it I have no idea....

Look at Finn: doesn't speak any language beside common.

 

You're right but I don't think it was The Empire but I guess you could say the remnants of them.

 

Well the Empire enslaved Twi'leks and Wookies for all different reasons (Building DeathStars) but still I agree it is not entirely clear. They should make a comic or something where Palpatine just says: The Empire hates aliens. Humans are the best and superior. (Just joking i do not want that )

 

Just like how he says the sith are superior .

 

TFA was so good that i am ok with the lack of aliens or new species.

Maz and Chewie are aliens e good.suported characters and dont forget Snoke. We also have the rathars with a certain good time on screen.

 

Well how do you know that Snoke is an alien ?

 

You know, the concept of the Empire being xenophobic is something that was created by the EU and not the movies. Though I mentioned this on a post elsewhere, it is a mistake to say that Palpatine was xenophobic as he had Darth Maul as his apprentice. As everyone knows, when a Sith takes on an apprentice, he does so knowing fully well that said pupil will crave the position of the master and that he will eventually try to take it by any means necessary. Sheev knew that if Maul triumphed, everything he had and all of his hard worked plans would be Maul's so why take on an alien apprentice if you hate them and knew that everything you had would be his as you indeed groomed him for that very role?

Same with the Empire as a whole. When old man Palps got a hold of the Clone Army, he obtained an army that was made with the template of a human and each and every equipment, uniform, vehicle ect was made for human use. Why then would Palpatine want to complicate matters by having to waste unnecessary funds trying to make uniforms equipment ect for alien races? Palps had no idea which alien species would join his Empire and which wouldn't so why waste money trying to make Stormtrooper gear or vehicles that can be used by guys like Amanaman, Ephant Mon, Cane Adiss or Nabrun Leids?

Palps continued using what was convenient for him from the start and had a guys from Kamino used an Ewok as the clone template then Sheev would have happily used an Ewok clone army to do his bidding and he wouldn't waste time trying to recruit humans for his cause when everything he had was made for the use of Ewoks. Even after Palps would stop using clones he would simply train and recruit Ewoks rather than have to go through all the trouble of modifying his whole army and that's just what he did with the humans. What's more, if we were to really take a deep look at what Palps showed us in the movies we would be led to think that he trusted more on aliens than he did with humans as apart from him having Maul as an apprentice, his closest aids who knew his secrets were Sly Moore and Mas Amedda who were both aliens.

 

Huh? I was referring to the new canon- not the EU. And i am right there with you. Maybe should read my post again.

 

because he's 7ft tall and described as "humanoid". he's not human.

 

@Mudbone great post.

I was telling something similar to my wife after watching TFA.
One of the leads should be an alien, not a CGI one, a real person with a mask and make-up with prosthetics.
Guys like Ackbar and Nien Nunb don't have an important or big role.
They should consider to expand the roles of some aliens or introduce new ones that should make an impact.
The aliens in TFA were reduced to eye-candy/fan service/easter egg status.

 

I agree with most people that it would be nice if at least one of the three new characters in Episode VIII (Del Toro, Dern, Tran) would be alien. All the new main characters of TFA were humans: Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren. For me, Lor San Tekka, Hux, Captain Phasma, Snoke, Maz, BB8, Snap Wrexley, Statura, and Unkar Plutt are all supporting characters. One would have expected that at least one of the new main characters of TFA would have been alien. We have seen in Jungle Book that Disney has the ability to do so. It is clear why Kylo Ren and Finn had to be human (because they are the son of Han and Leia and a stormtrooper, respectively). Either Rey or Poe could have been alien. We know Poe's parents from the comics, but they could have given him a different background. We do not know Rey's parents, which suggests to me that we might have already met them ... (or at least one of them).

 

No my friend I understood your post. I didn't mean to say that you thought this way as your line of thinking is close to my own. Maybe it was they way I wrote my reply. What I meant was the fact that many people tend to come up with the whole ''xenophobic'' thing due to what they read in the EU cause the OT never gave any indication of this being true. When we see the OT, we never get the impression of a xenophobic Empire as we see Garindan helping out the Stormtroopers in ANH and then Vader hiring the Bounty Hunters which included aliens in TESB. It wasn't until outside EU sources that we were told that the Empire hated aliens as this was never alluded too in the movies. If you don't read EU sources, you can't come to this conclusion from watching the movies alone and it is based on this that I made my comment.

Now, reguarding TFA, people are once again using books to reach the conclusion that the First Order is xenophobic. This was not alluded to in any way in the movie and fans are once more using the new canon expanded universe to come up with the xenophobic theory. They should know by now that what goes on in the books hardly tends to mean anything with what we get on the big screen as it is all EU even though it is new and said to be ''canon''. I have seen things canon come and go and Lucasfilm takes one or two things they like and then throw everything else to the trash and I see the new books being no exception to this rule.

If the movie allude to the First Order being xenophobic then that is truly considered canon but if it's just outside materials then I really don't rely on that as we can one moment be hearing this and then all of that is trashed when we suddenly see Snoke commanding the FO with all the Knights of Ren at his side and most of them turn out to be aliens. Everything outside of the movies is EU and can't be taken seriously.

 

I'm aware the First Order isn't the Empire. I was commenting that neither of them came across as xenophobic in the films.

Eh. The xenophobia seems so unnecessary. Anywho, thanks for taking the time to share.

 

He does not look a human to me, but we still dont know that. Maybe he is some kind of ancient and deformed human.