SPECULATION What if snoke is a new character (not plagueis)

I would have to disagree here. I think most would be in the Neutral-Plaguies category such as myself. If Snoke is Plaguies and he works fine, If Snoke isn't Plaguies and he works then fine. Not having Plaguies isn't going to automatically make it a bad movie and fan fiction. Most have predetermined what it must be without seeing it.

Snoke was a lost twenty/First Sith
Snoke was a Whills

Why limited what it has to be before before it is even seen?

Just shows their are other factions out there other than the Jedi and Sith that can have knowledge of the force. Maz is another we have seen.

If Plaguies didn't die, then he wasn't killed. Still could be part of the order and diminishes the Villian of the PT and one of the OT. Just makes him the fool. Why change everything everyone has come to know.

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I do believe it was. In the opera scene HE TOLD Anakin Plaguies taught his apprentice everything he knew. In the battle with Mace, HE TOLD Anakin to help him, so he could help save the one he loved. Only after Anakin assisted in killing Mace, did Sidious TELL ANAKIN cheating death was a power only knew but together they could learn it. So he knowningly lie to first two times but contradicting himself the last time. But the last time just refers to him being able to save others, which is what it was always about. No Plaguies cheating death himself. It was already established he couldn't do that.

Just because he could save others doesn't naturally transfer to himself. Medical personally can save others from dying but that doesn't automatically mean they can do it on themselves.

Each generation has their own story. I dont think they are avoiding the PT. Clones were mentioned the TFA but this is a continuation of the ST, not the PT. THe Life and Look under the Empire's rule was mighty different in the OT than PT. Naturally the life, look, and feel of the ST should naturally follow the OT not the PT.

We don't know who Snokes is yet. Once again, why not wait and see what they come up with before prescribing our own fan theory that can be the only reasonable possibility.

 

Again - the facts show Plagueis to be the most popular theory.

The thing is we won't know what Sidious lies about. He might well know how to save others from death but he isn't about to share this with Anakin as Anakin's turn depends on Padme's death. And again, you're missing my point. I am talking about what they could do to make the villain for the ST - not what was "canon" before that. It could easily be made to be the case that Plagueis did cheat death without contradicting anything - merely highlighting Sidious' overconfidence and the fact he was fooled by his former master.

Again - it's about what could be made to be the story.

 

I think the Darth Plaguies theory is fantastic. But I'd be cool if Snoke was a new character too.

 

Really, I have no idea, but I'm keen for some baseless speculation and an imagination work out

Where did he come from, hmm...

Well, is he local to the galaxy, or from the unkown regions in intergalactic space, or from a neighbouring galaxy?

We know he is leading the FO now, so he must have been quite active in the galaxy since the fall of the Empire in order to secure his position as Supreme Leader. He says he watched the rise of the Empire, so perhaps he has been around in the neighbourhood since TCW. This is a little more unclear though. He perhaps could have seen the rise of the Empire from afar, or he could have been going about his business quietly in the 'hood. Hard to say. Speculation gyration time.

If he's a local, whereabouts in the galaxy is he from? If he's from far away, what's he doing here, and how'd he get here, and why? Both options raise a whole pletheora of questions. I tend to like the far away option, seems more mysterious somehow. I like the idea that he was imprisoned by an older, far away civilisation. That he tried to overthrow that civilisation, but failed, and so he's come skulking into this galaxy looking for an opportunity to gain power once more. Maybe he got those injuries in his previous defeat. Maybe he was imprisoned somehow, and when the Empire started poking around in the unkown regions, they came across him and released his evil into the universe again. Perhaps he comes from an older culture of Force users that are profoundly different, and this is where he gained his Force knowledge?

Really, I could speculate for hours.

 

what facts? an informal poll on a forum?
you know what else is "the most popular theory"? that Rey is Luke's daughter.
just because people think something (or even desperately want it and argue its case using saga mythology to justify it) doesn't mean it's "right" for the story.

 

Millions of hits on YouTube videos about the theory. Top of polls. Most tweeted and discussed Snoke theory. And unlike the Rey is Luke's daughter theory, it doesn't contradict the mythology, isn't contrived and would actually work very well for the story.

 

I though the original poster wanted to talk about new theories, and Snoke as an original character?

Hasn't the Plagueis thing been hashed to death elsewhere? Look, I admire the passion and dedication of the Plagaholics, but some of us are bored of it and would like to discuss other options, regardless of how much that makes us infidels. Can't we try on a new hat, just for the fun if it, and not go over the same old theories?

 

Snoke as a new character will be remembered as most early and most elaborately predicted and warned dissaster in the history of SF films, a synonym for arrogance and blindness.

 

I disagree. Facts may show Plaguies is the most debated but it isn't the most popular theory. Popularity isn't a quantitative analysis, just qualitative. I've watched some of the Plaguies videos. Does that mean it's "my favorite theory"? Nope, it's always a possibility but there is nothing that says it is 100% undeniably concret, which I feel the opposite. There are other viable options (probably the best is the one is what we haven't come up with) and it's certainly not going to ruin the movie for me just because Snoke isn't Plaguies. A poll on one particular forum doesn't speak for the entire fan base, many of whom don't even visit these boards.

I've had similar thoughts too. Someone who is an ancient force user, neither jedi nor sith, that was imprisoned for some terrible atrocities but freed unknowingly through trickery. Possilbly inspired by Abeloth in the Fate of the Jedi series.