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SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Klai Kenobi, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. Klai Kenobi

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    Theories aside a bit, I've found that Snoke is vital in making the sequels work.. Here's why

    Aside from what I think about the overall reboot and homage to the OT that TFA is, there is no doubt for the most part that as far as our heroes go, episode 7 hit a grand slam.. Our antagonists on the other hand I think we can all agree not so much..

    A good 'bad guy' is just as important (or more important) in these films than anything and so far we have a CGI hologram that's not very original seeming or enticing and another whiny x Jedi that is teetering between light and dark..

    I'm not saying I don't like Ben's character and the way Adam Driver portrays him, but let's be honest that his fate is maybe the clearest of all.. He'll either A. Sacrifice himself in the end to save Rey/Luke B. Have a tragic death by the hands of Rey. 'It's too late' like he said to his father, Han, that he can fully be redeemed at this point. My point being, Ben is hardly the nightmare and threat that Darth Vader was on screen so I count him out on the Villain list.

    Snoke on the other hand is supposed to be our Emperor.. Our wise and powerful supreme leader. Let's be honest, After the amazing performances by Ian McDiarmid (yes even in the Prequels he was awesome) our new big baddie has some big, BIG shoes to fill!

    A lot of you may get the wrong idea of what I'm saying and comment things like, 'Give it time' or 'Have more faith'. But I'm not saying I don't have faith or that I didn't enjoy TFA. What I'm saying is Snoke has become my MVP of the sequels. Unless this he is just another stepping stone to the real threat behind the curtain..Ehheemmm, Benicio del Toro.. Eheemm.. Excuse me.. Then IMO Snoke needs to step up to the plate and be one of the more interesting characters and our most hated Villain against our great heroes. So far (and I mean so far) he's not very interesting on the big screen..
     
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    I agree.
    (This might be offtopic) ;):p:D

    I think that they need to make him Darth Plagueis. If they did that I would stand up and scream a Hux Speech on why Disney is the best.
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    He played a part in the fall of the jedi order & bringing the galaxy into another war.
     
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    A lot depends on his back story, if it turns out he is just another dark force then he will just feel like a throw away Villian. The Guy needs to be somthing big and important, like the first ever Dark Side user whose been around thousands of years, and after the have given him a cool backstory, the have to give him a clear goal, not just im the bad guy so i do bad things, and after that they have to give him screen time to develop.
     
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    You may be right. But frankly I think and prefer Ben as THE big bad of the trilogy. What I want is Kylo to understand his father's warning that Snoke will eventually kill him and strike first at an opportune moment. Like "Nooooooooo." then have a lightsabre temper tantrum on Snoke's face.

    This still leaves Snoke as important but it is as back story for the REAL villain.
     
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    Agreed that Snoke is important and his story needs to be compelling. I don't think it's fair to say he hasn't done anything interesting yet. Movies are only two hours and TFA was just setting the pieces. Taking into account what we know he has done off screen (turning Ben Solo to the dark side, contributing to the rise of the First Order, etc.) I'd say his character is very interesting and most SW fans seem enthralled with him.
     
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    I've been wondering about Kylo Ren and if he's the big bad guy too:

    Maybe he will outfox Snoke and usurp his power.

    Maybe Snoke and Kylo have some weird eugenics plan going and there is already a great grandchild of Anakin.

    Maybe Kylo's end game is to learn as much about the dark side as it takes to kill Luke AND Snoke, thus bringing a twisted sense of "balance" to the galaxy.

    at any rate, I think it'd be interesting if Kylo didn't end up being redeemed like a lot of people are predicting.
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    As for Snoke, what if he was a former pupil of Luke's that secretly turned to evil early on in his training? Or maybe he learned what he could from Luke and then renounced the Jedi only to hang about, kinda like Count Dooku.

    Personally, I don't like the whole ancient being idea. It seems like it may be going that way, but I'd prefer Snoke to be a manipulator who ends up biting off more than he can chew by creating something unstoppable within Kylo Ren that he, and the rest of the galaxy, deeply regrets.
     
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    Snoke feels very much like Palpatine from the OT. Was Palpatine the most important character? Even though he orchestrated the entire thing Vader/Luke are the center of the story. Snoke could very well have a more important role in this trilogy than Palpatine in the OT. So far though it feels like Kylo Ren/Rey are the most important characters.
     
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    I'm not saying that the Emperor was the most important character or the focal point, but he and Vader became quite possibly the most iconic villains of all time. To follow that up with another dark side user that doesn't have much depth in character or originality could really water down this sequel trilogy..Not having solid villains after such a great intro to our new heroes would be disappointing to me. It could still be good the way Marvel has been without many great villains, but not having the depth and stakes the OT and even the Prequels had with Palpatine/Vader..
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    I can agree that it is unfair to say Snoke hasn't done anything interesting yet.. But one of the main gripes I've heard from fans is the CGI Snoke hologram not being very original seeming or intriguing.. I would like to have seen something stranger...A more interesting looking being than just another less strange looking Voldemort . :)
     
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    Snoke is important to the health and strength of the sequel trilogy. Films hinge on the conflict against an antagonist, and Star Wars strength was in Darth Vader and The Emperor. Here, as we move into the sequel trilogy, Lucasfilm must create a significant threat against our heroes. As TFA proved, Kylo is not being set up as the evil puppetmaster or center villain, instead it seems as though the writers were keeping their cards close to the chest so as to build a credible threat in the Supreme Leader.

    So absolutely, Snoke as a character and villain are vital to the strength of the trilogy, and the conflict our heroes overcome.
     
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    Snoke became important when he revealed a bit of his knowledge about the jedi.
     
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    That is a valid gripe. Hopefully he'll look better in TLJ without the CGI!
     
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    Yeah, I thought kind of the same thing. With Voldemort, it worked. With Azog (from The Hobbit) it was definitely worse, but at least he was physical in the sense of the movie, so he seemed to have some presence. In TFA, Snoke is just a generic bad guy-looking dude made of CGI, further made less accessible by the fact that we only ever see a hologram of him. Visual effects aside, I guess it's a testament to something (maybe the writing?) that people are actually still scrambling to find everything they can on him.
     
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    The look of Snoke is somewhat excused by the fact that they finally confrmed his look only in October, 2 months before TFA premiered, so his animations were very likely rushed into the final film. With TLJ there won't be any more excuses.
     
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    I wonder if people had similar gripes about the original Emperor portrayed in TESB who also appeared only as a hologram.
     
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    The Best thing they can do for the future is turn Rey into the Dark Lord of the Sith and ruling the Galaxy, trying to hunt down and stop Luke And Kyle from rebuilding a Jedi opposition.
     
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    Snoke is just a stepping stone for Kylo.
     
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    Leaving aside the Plagueis Possibility, the first hint I've seen of Snoke being a compelling character in his own right is the idea that he was influencing Ben Solo whilst he was still in Leia's womb. Leading a baby away from his parents before he is even born is very dark indeed.

    Snoke = snake = the tempter from the Garden of Eden?
     
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    Let me throw this out there. Saw this video yesterday, and while I don't think any single piece of speculation is wholly original, I think it makes a good case of putting things together. Not saying it's for sure right, but it might be one of the more compelling predictions I've seen.
     
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