SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

Phrasing

 

I understand there is a remote possibility that Snoke is DP. I would even say it could still be a good story but it would have to work really hard narratively to not completely diminish Sidious and shift the entire focus of all the films away from Vader and on to himself. It turs Vader not into the creation of the force (something Tarkin a canon novel tells us) rather a creation of DP. Undercutting Anakin as the actual chosen one. It shifts the Destroyer Skywalker, Redeemer Skywalker, Rebirth Rey cycle that seems obvious in the films to a one up villain as "the real evil," "new and improved" evil. This isn't just another sequel were its time to go bigger. They have to remain faithful to what has come before. Having seen TFA I don't think that's the direction they are going.

 

Plagueis... the character, like the theory... that would not die.

Personally, I would love to see it as it would tie everything up nicely, but...

 

I can't see how it diminishes Sidious. Sheev would still have once killed Plagueis. He'd still be the only Sith who could've did what he did and take over the galaxy and remove the Jedi. However, if Snoke is someone new, then unless he turned to the Dark Side in the last 30 years we have to ask what was he doing watching events and never getting involved?

The narrators voice isn't always an accurate one. Plagueis may have known exactly what he was doing and bs'd Sidious with the explanation given in that novel. Eitherway, anything can be written to enable Plagueis to be the creator and as the seeds were sown in ROTS it would make sense.

How Anakin was created has no baring on his role as the chosen one. They aren't connected. The chosen one tag was based on a prediction of a possible future that turned out to be correct. But it wasn't fate nor did the prediction bring about his creation.

I don't see how it does that. It simply provides a villain that ties into the story of Darth Vader (which is what the Skywalker saga is all about) whilst providing a new challenge (not necessarily that much greater than Sidious) - Plagueis' character would provide the Skywalker's great conflict and self doubt whilst adding the new element to the films in that he can create life and cheat death.

And Snoke being a completely new character that watched events transpire from the UR and then acts exactly how the Sith would, does that? You say they don't want to go bigger - well, one word: Starkiller....

 

We have danced before we likely will dance again. Whatever comes I hope we both love the film.

 

Every bit of info that has been revealed about Snoke relates to Plagueis.
Nothing within the canon material goes against Plagueis' character and doesn't rule it out.

The only thing we have is Pablo Hidalgo telling us Snoke isn't Plagueis. Directly going against his own rule of not saying anything that canon hasn't revealed.
And it's the only time he has really done that.

Meh, we'll see!

 

Touche' on Starkiller.

Though that was tech. You expect weapons to grow and adapt and get bigger.

 

Back at ya' Barndawg.

The FO = The Empire 2.0, but better shots.
Kylo Ren stops laser beams with his frickin' mind!
Rey is like Luke but can do stuff it took Luke years to learn.

I'm being facetious here, but I stand by my point - Plagueis isn't about "bigger & better" but rather "connected & different".

 

That's why Ren being the big bad is my hope and theory.

Its time to see an up and coming dark sider strike down his master. Sure he's just a wounded pouty rage monster but he will have an army of fanatics.

 

I believe it is the only option that makes sense.

 

while i think Snoke has the potential to be really stand out (especially after the MSW leaks) and do really well to not fall into the trap of being a 'step up' or whatever to Sidious (personally, one of my all time favourite villains across all entertainment), i see a better story being forged with Kylo Ren displacing Snoke and becoming the real villain of the trilogy, especially now that Leia cannot be used too much for 'drama' in ep9.
if say, Leia were to be used and leaned on heavily (which is what the rumours and even Colin T pointed out) i could see Snoke still being at the top and a redemption path being pursued for Kylo. But now that is doubtful, especially after Han's death - we really only have Luke to be the dramatic link to the Skywalker line (which Kylo is a part of, which has been highlighted over and over by KK and the StoryGroup - that this is the Skywalker story) - albeit this relies on Rey not being a Skywalker, even though that could also enhance the theory.
these things put together and a somewhat bias to what seems like an interesting story to tell - i think Snoke may just be in Kylo's way as he moves deeper into his 'inverse Luke' and 'villain story' which JJ had said himself post-TFA release.
the rumours point to Snoke being rich and powerful, the gold robe seen in the TFA Guide To (book) seemingly backing that up. he'd be the eccentric guy that took on the challenge of the power vacuum left over by the Empire's defeat (with the help of others, as seen in the Aftermath series, etc) who inevitably dies in a similar way to Sidious - thinking he has the utmost control of all the power players (Vader = Kylo), yet the twist on that formula is that Snoke never gains FULL control like the Empire, while instead of Vader turning 'good', Kylo goes deeper into the Dark Side gaining control of the FO (empire), adding weight to the words spoken by Kylo when talking to the Vader helmet "i will finish what you started" (as well, i think in TFA book, Snoke knew what Vader's weakness was, so Kylo will be avoiding that, albeit dealing with that struggle like seen in TFA).

the Plagueis rumours i pay no attention to. do i think it would be cool? yeh, i do. im a fan of the Prequels (although ATOC is my least favourite SW film, ROTS sits second). im a fan with how it could connect the three trilogies. do i think casual audiences will see the same weight to it that hardcores would? no, i dont - in addition to the many other reasons in-universe it would convolute - not necessarily ret-con - its entirely possible they could make it work - however it would be convoluted and i just dont think theres much reason to place stock in it, with no mentions or alluding content that could back it up (across the whole canon, so far).

 

I think the mystery of who Snoke is has added to the inflation of his importance. So far, we know little about him which to me kinda hinders figuring out his level of importance. If they follow the trend of the OT, we will know little about him just like we know little about the Emperor. He was the puppet master that had power over Vader but the story was still about the redemption of Vader through the love of family. I think Kylo could be the main bad and focus while never learning too much in-depth about Snoke on screen. His story could be used after the ST to sell books just as I'm sure the details of Luke's post ROTJ story up to TFA will be used to sell books once the ST is complete. But who knows, Snoke could turn out to be the big bad and we learn more about him on screen. He could be Plaguies or he may not. I don't necessarily see that as turning it into a terrible trilogy, I just don't see any current evidence as being concrete and pointing to Snoke being DP. It's all subjective and you can read what you want into it.

 

I would not say Snoke is the most important character but...
I think he is a new character but I also think he is a long time player and that we'll find out he played a part from the PT time.
Given what came out in the Aftermarth serie, he is someone close to the dark Force calling for Palpatine or he is that dark Force itself. Its embodiment. I put my 50 cents on the latter.
If so, he's not Plagueis, but someone (a new character) that used to guide both Plag and Palp. And his connection with Anakin (the Chosen One) has to be told. I find interesting that Vader never felt that dark Force which I presume was Snoke. Also if so Rey could very well be the embodiment of the light side. As her name suggestes... It does not matter if that's her true name or one she gave herself (that's however the name they've decided to use to introduce the character...)
Back to Snoke, I think his backstory (yet untold) and what's coming may be like a match in two halves. PT and OT were just the first half/set of the game, now we are watching the second half.

 

Colin Trevorrow just finished writing the first draft of episode 9 script. If you happen to run into him at SWCO, ask him if he knows who Plagueis is.

 

I can't help but notice, watching the live stream of celebration just now, that there have been a couple cryptic references to the opera house scene and Palpatine's story and having been an a regular human being and eventually turned apprentice to an even more evil master while always avoiding saying the name Plageuis.

Can't help but think either Snoke is Plagueis or there's going to be some kind of new canon exploration of this backstory, whether is's a book, comic, cartoon, standalone movie, etc.

Correction: just heard the name Plagueis said right after I said they weren't using it.

 

I only laugh because I was watching Celebration on replay and heard Palgeuis mentioned too.

 

Yeah, watching the replay, right now myself because I didn't get to watch it live.

 

For whatever my 2 cents are worth, I doubt old Plaggy is coming back into canon. Having said that, I haven't watched anything from the festivities today. Having said that, I doubt they'd spill the beans or hint at important plot points on a live streamed discussion of Star Wars in general.

 

Remember the furvor of wild speculation before TFA. Fan enthusiasm for theories and secrets is a huge part of marketing.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 14, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 14, 2017 ---

They know if they drop the name 15 youtube vids will be up before midnight.

 

I kind of feel like there might be a Palpy & Plagueis "A Star Wars Story" in the cards, judging by the McDiarmid panel.
He kept making Plagueis references and then made a couple remarks about exploring Palpatine's humanity and made comments about "some young actor" may get to explore that.