SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

He was responsible for the fall of Luke's jedi order,

 

no Snoke in the trailer, but Kylo's got his cross blade saber back!

 

And Mace Windu

 

He had to have a spare one, no way he only had one & only on starkiller base, Snoke has to keep him stocked for life until he turns of course.

 

THIS will be the movie. I was wrong about TFA, but THIS time....

Lol

 

What if... Plagueis was "arranged"... not the mastermind, but one who was manipulated... the Sith... all of it... by design... from somewhere else... manipulate the Sith, cause them to rise and take out the Jedi... and the true masters can return

Come on... what is more sinister? Plagueis, or the one who pulled his strings?

 

@TIDMADT I literally was just thinking this, but I was thinking more of Snoke manipulating Palpatine than Plagueis, but Plagueis makes more sense.

I don't think Snoke is necessarily the most important character, an interesting one nonetheless. To me Kylo Ren is the most important character. One reason being Snoke's manipulation of Ben Solo in the womb. Maybe Snoke is like Lumiya in a way (Also noting Ren's similarities to Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus), and is simply truly wanting to instill knowledge and teach new abilities to Kylo Ren and pass on the mantle. I doubt it, but something makes me feel it may truly be Kylo's fate to rule over the galaxy, even if only for a short time. He could kill Snoke in 8 or at the beginning of 9, then at the end of 9 he duels with Rey/Luke(possibly). Rey should be the one to kill him if anyone does.

Snoke is definitely the most interesting characters though, because we really do know so little about him. We don't even really know where he came from, most likely the Unknown Regions, with Hux and the rest of the newly formed First Order to claim the galaxy. I wouldn't mind him being someone we've already met, although I seriously doubt that happening. I really want to know who some of his additional apprentices are/were. I'm hoping BDT is one of them.

 

Vader was more interesting than the Emperor... Kylo is more interesting than Snoke... both Snoke and the Emperor are evil, the nature of their evil might be different, but there is no redemption for them. Anakin fell into being Vader, and in the end was redeemed... that was the story... Ben has fallen into being Kylo, and the story is with him, redemption or not.

In the end, it is the story of Skywalker... it was a Skywalker who ended the Jedi order... it was a Skywalker who tried to rebuild it... it was a Skywalker who destroyed that as well. It is a Skywalker who will create something new, and a Skywalker who will become the next evolution

 

Snoke will become interesting when you find out this...

Palpatine's contingency plan if he had died was to have a clone created immediately after death. In a secret facility in the Unknown Regions, the Emporer's most trusted loyalists prepared to Clone Palpatine. But something went horribly wrong during the accelerated aging process of the clone. The dark side energy was so powerful that it destroyed all of the people at the facility, leaving only one survivor. The deformed clone....Snoke. He had most of Palpatine's memory and could see the past through the force. He was so powerful that he could even see Vader's betrayal. He knew that his revenge needed to be slow and calculating. He wasn't Palpatine, he was someone else. He couldn't just come back and take over the Imperial Fleet as if rumors of his death were just that, rumors. Instead, he remained patient and plotted his next moves. When he learned of another Skywalker in the womb of Princess Leia, he accelerated his plans to take another Skywalker as apprentice. He had a second chance to rebuild the Empire and conquer the galaxy.

 

Or he's just Plagueis and we shall have...peace.

 

Snoke being DP would do the most for movies about Palps and DP. DP is $$. Or Snoke was just Palps Janitor. You decide!

 

To say Palpatine was too incompetent to kill his master in his sleep kills Palpatines credibility. Plaugeis must stay dead. Nothing in canon suggest he's alive. I'd rather have a Plaugeis/Palpatine spin off.

 

"To say Palpatine was too incompetent to kill his master in his sleep kills Palpatines credibility."

spot on.

 

Not really. You could say Palpatine was too incompetent to manage Vader and turn Luke but that would just be making it up as you go...

 

Knowing you killed a sleeping guy and predicting a father's heart are vastly different things. Palpatine met his end by his apprentice like pretty much every other Sith Lord. The motivations were just different.

Plagueis is dead folks.

 

It actually matches Palpatine's personality completely - "your over confidence is your weakness".
It is entirely plausible that Palpatine thought he had destroyed Plagueis but didn't realise his master had in fact learned how to prolong his own life.
And I'm sorry by if Darth Maul can survive being cut in half then, as we don't know how Plagueis was killed, there is a good chance he could've survived whatever Sidious did to him.

Plagueis is in fact a means of preserving Palpatine's credibility. Not only does it show why Palpatine was needed (only he could take over the galaxy with the political plan the Sith arranged) but he did defeat his master. It's just he didn't known Plagueis could cheat death himself. What's more, Plagueis/Snoke remaining in the shadows until Sidious is dead shows that his power was feared. But now Plagueis could re-emerge (and had to), with his different take on unlimited power and supreme knowledge of the Dark Side of the Force...

 

The Plagueis theories will never go away.. because it's the only other big name villain known to the cinema going audience.

not in a million years will i rule out Plaguies somehow surviving the attack by his apprentice.


I personally love the Freedon Nadd ideas, as a lot of the 'Krath' cult stories aren't a million miles away from where the Snoke + knights of Ren might possibly be heading. the Krath were a non-sith dark side society started by 2 cousins (oo yes cousins.. interesting eh?)
The spirit of Nadd trained the cousins, with his end goal of one of them being powerful enough for him to come back to life using one of the cousin's body's. The interesting part is that the cult were very 'aristocratic', which does align with some of the things that MSW were saying about Snoke a while back (i hope that's not spoiler worthy? i think it's only speculation at this point).

semi involved with this cult.. was the king of Onderon - a dark side sorcerer called 'Ommin'. there are too many images to pull in.. but google his name - he looked like Snoke, and certainly dressed like MSW's descriptions (if true).

another interesting note about the Krath story.. is that a powerful Jedi called 'Ulic Qel Droma' infiltrated the Krath to try and bring it down from within.

it's a fascinating read if you haven't read about it before:-
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Krath

The general movie going audience will have no clue about this stuff... but, whether they go that way or simply cherry pick a lot of that story line for Star Wars moving forward.. this is all beginning to come together in my mind.

 

If you consider 0.1% of the audience as a whole, then sure, Plagueis is the other villain known to the cinema going audience.

 

That's not the point though. Not many people will know Plagueis - but they will fully comprehend the importance and relevance of a character who has:

-Created Vader
-Trained the Emperor
-Cheated death

They can then go back and enjoy the ROTS opera scene...

 

Anakin was NOT the creation of Darth Plagueis in the novel, rather a response from the Force itself against Plagueis and Palpatine's tipping the scale of balance within the Force. The novel makes this pretty clear, though I realize that none of this is Canon anymore.

In my opinion, Snoke HAS to be a greater threat than Palpatine, otherwise what's the point of the story? The worst thing that could happen is to make Snoke a somewhat recycled version of Palpatine - that lacks imagination and creativity.