SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

And in the Plagueis novel, Palpatine did have doubts...
But anyway, you're missing the point re: Leia. It's not that she senses her daughters death but that she wouldn't have done (if it is Rey because Rey is alive!). Thus Leia wouldn't presume her daughter dead. Further still, Palpatine could well have sensed Plagueis' death as his master WOULD HAVE died but then resurrected himself.

 

besides, weren't Snoke and Leia pals at some point? it's not like he was out there haunting the emptiness of space, sitting on his hands. he was around.

 

that's all your speculation and opinion. none of that is supported directly.

 

I am worried - believe me.
I've been waiting for someone to post an decent Snoke theory for years but all I read about is some Mortis Arc *bullsh*t and some ancient being that has conveniently been hiding out in the UR's!

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Of course it is speculation - but it is speculation based on logic and rationality. You're saying that Plagueis being alive contradicted my theory that Leia can't sense her daughter. I explained why that isn't the case - not what is or isn't actually happening because I of course can't know such things!

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I don't know. But regardless of that, he still pops up rather conveniently after the events of ROTJ.

 

that's just it though, i doubt he was hiding out the whole time. i think he was around and playing the game in his own fashion, or at least that would seem to be the case.

the Mortis arc theories are pretty tedious lol

your "logic and rationality" are steeped in your own predilection.

 

But it cannot be the case that he emerged at least until after the events of ROTJ. He is still a pop up character with no prior connection to the saga (unless, and please God no, he is a clone gone wrong). And so the likelihood is that he is some powerful Dark Sider who has seen all this stuff going on and for some reason has emerged after the Sith's demise. It's just way to convenient for my liking.

Corrected.

Indeed. A predilection for a good, satisfying story.

 

ha, i don't think Plaggy has a place in a story like that...

someone could argue that Plaggy suddenly showing up post-RotJ is awfully convenient timing as well.

you have to see that one theory is as ridiculous as the other. if you don't, then you certainly are biased in your "logic and rationality."

i think that RJ has something in store for us that we haven't hit on yet, despite several minds working together to piece things together. ultimately they are holding the cards while we pick up the scraps, hoping to get clued in.

when TLJ comes out i believe we'll be in for a treat. that includes a Snoke that makes sense.

 

fair dues.

i've been wrong before on the direction of these new movies: i was one of the folks that thought the cross guard saber leak was a fake, and i vehemently attacked the idea that it would be included in TFA. spoiler: it was included (much to my disappointment).

Plaggy could end up having a triumphant return only to be squashed by this generation's heroes, but i doubt it.

 

Again, it makes perfect sense.
Plagueis was "killed" by Palpatine and slunk off to the UR. He had to hide out and let Palpatine take over as:
1) Palpatine was in position to take over.
2) Plagueis was badly injured and would be killed next time.

So he's in the UR, healing, biding his time - and suddenly Palpatine is killed, but so is Vader. And the Force is brought back into balance.
This isn't a great thing for Plagueis as he requires the Dark Side to survive and a balanced Force means the Dark Side power isn't as prominent as it once was. He also needed Vader.

He therefore has to re-emerge but the one person who was part of his plans, Vader, is dead. He thus looks to Vader's family and from the beginning of his life, starts to turn Ben Solo to the Dark Side. Meanwhile, he has led the remnants of the Empire to him and turned them into the FO. He has thrown off his old Sith name after being betrayed by the order and calls himself Snoke. When Ben Solo is of age he finalises his turn and has him destroy the Jedi. The Dark Side begins to take over again and Plagueis begins to regain his power....

Perfection.

We will see...we wil see....

 

ok, so what are your thoughts on the 'Snoke is the last Jedi' idea? there are plenty doing the rounds.

We have confirmation that Snoke is not sith... so what if he is a Jedi?
If you haven't seen this idea before.. don't trash me for suggesting that a Jedi can do bad things and still be a Jedi, what i'm saying is.. what if Snoke is an ancient long living Jedi that is so old that he comes from a time when there was no Jedi code?

Luke discovers that Snoke is a Jedi
"It's time for the Jedi.. to end" - brings a completely new spin on what he said.

"If Skywalker returns... the new Jedi will rise."
what if Snoke was talking in singular? perhaps he isn't worried about Luke training new Jedi... perhaps he is simply worrying about Luke... the NEW Jedi rising up.

 

Doesn't make sense.
Snoke is a Dark Sider. The Jedi never used the Dark Side. That is what made them Jedi.
Thus Snoke is not a Jedi. Was he once a Jedi that turned bad? Maybe. But then this still requires an explanation for the rest of his story and he would still be tacked on.

 

It has been many times stated on many places that the final judgment about the New Trilogy will be inevitablly influenced by the quality of the charater we know for now as simply Snoke.

Regardless who Snoke is, the value of entire battle that is going on in new trilogy at the end will be measured by the value of defeated main villain character Snoke( he will be defeated,right?).

To satissfy this, Snoke should have very rich history, and he should be ultimately strong, with of course logical explanation why is he so strong. And all of this should be logical. The task is not easy because he has almost perfect main villain contender from older trilogies, a brilliant Sheev Palpatine/ Darth Sidious.

I have no doubt Story Department knows that so much at the end depends on the quality and richness of their Snoke construction.

 

This is how the story will most likely play out. My question is - why Plagueis is a better choice, than, let's say, a former Dark Side user captured by the first Jedi a long time ago that only got released and started to emass his power at the time when the Jedi Order was all but erradicated (Order 66) except for the fact that some people would like him to be implemented into the New Canon? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he'll reappear, most likely as one of main characters in novel by James Luceno (if they stick to how Thrawn was reintroduced) but what maks you think that Snoke would be better if he was that particular character instead of a completely new one?

 

Because Plagueis was introduced in ROTS and could be easily made to be the creator of Darth Vader - the person which the Skywalker saga films are really all about. He'd ensure a superb, rounded mythological tale: the creator of Vader, who was the starting point of the Skywalker story is the perfect villain to end the tale. Metaphorically speaking, he was the one who created this Skywalker curse and only when he is destroyed can there be a true resolution.

Not only that, but considering Kylo Ren's character and Luke's exile, I see no better way of throwing in some extra conflict by having Snoke be the creator of the Skywalker family itself...

He connects the trilogies.
He connects to the story of Darth Vader.
He brings a new challenge in being the father of the Skywalker's, the cheater of death and master of the Emperor.
And he won't come across as a retcon/tacked on villain because he was mentioned in ROTS.

 

Plagueis as an idea was once quickly accepted by fandom , because indeed Plagueis as Snoke will be story reach and well elaborated ultimate Dark Side main villain, well rooted in Canon and SW legacy. So in a way it will be safe bet, it will succeed to contend even Palpatine from previous trilogies.

I am thrilled by the fact that Story Department obviously found better character idea and want to risk.

If Snoke would came to be underwhelming main villain , entire New trilogy will suffer. But, more and more I found they are making radical changes in everything,so I believe Snoke will end to be a great character. ( I hope they will explain his scars almost incopatible with life and his undead appearance, that , by coincidence,once brought Plagueis fans on the edge of madness).

 

Then I'll just say it. It's DUMB! It's like General Hospital Soap Opera DUMB! "OH NO, the guy we thought we killed decades ago is really alive and back to take over the world." DUMB!

Again, killing a sleeping guy is different than rebuilding the Jedi Order from scratch or being a father to an emo kid. Sorry. One is an act. The others are a process.

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We don't want death cheaters in these films. (Notice I say films, because Maul never returned on screen thank god.) Death Cheaters are a black hole of constant speculation in that no matter what your write or film, fans will always find reasons for them to not be dead. Evidence, this thread.

 

Don't go there man. Gray Jedi isn't happening. And you don't teeter for long. You fall.

 

Hushhhhh, turning Star Wars into more of "The Bold and the Beautiful" is always a great idea.

EDIT: When you think about it, George Lucas had a tendency to include quite a lot soap opera-esque plots in Star Wars. Missing siblings, missing children, characters coming back from the dead, forbidden romances, love triangles...