SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

I'm still betting on the "Snoke is Voldemort" harry potter crossover theory. I heard they tempted the title for episode 8 "The Last Horcrux", as obviously Anakin's lightsaber is the last horcrux, and what keeps "snoke-voldemort" alive across the galaxies...

 

Yes, yes he did. And many were cringe worthy!

 

Kenobi lost to Maul when he was angry. He beat him when he calmed down.

Anakin was just better than Dooku. But as we see, what anger did aid him in battle led to his undoing.

Luke beating Vader with hate was not a good thing. Thankfully he stepped back from the precipice and threw down his saber. But again, using the Dark Side is not a good thing. You ain't going to come back from it if you don't reject it.

Anakin destroyed the Emperor after he was redeemed and rejected the Dark Side. It was an act of compassion and selflessness.

 

Just thinking about Young George sitting around his house circa 1973 and trying to write Star Wars with General Hospital playing in the background.

 

the problem with Plaggy is the same problem with Snoke: why wait so long to make a move?

one could argue that Plagz waited til the Empire fell apart knowing that it would, but that's such a hot load of speculation.

Snoke has the same problem though! if he has been around for a while, which is sounds like he has, why wait?

one thing we know about Snoke is that he definitely knows Leia, so it turns out he's actually been shaking and on the scene since RotJ, if not prior. Plaggy, unless secretly going by the name of Snoke this time around (not to be confused with his last alter ego, Hego), has been safely dead since before TPM.

Snoke could have been on the scene prior to RotJ and we were simply not introduced to his character. Hux's dad was on the scene and we hadn't heard of him. hell, we thought the Death Star was Tarkin's baby and all the time it was actually Krennic's!

Plaggy is deadity dead dead, whereas Snoke actually has a skeleton of a backstory; we just haven't got to the details yet.

 

Plags is dead, but would maybe have less problems story-wise with his "waiting time" to reapear again from exile, since it lasted just about 30 years. Afteral Palps delivered a fine beating to him, and together with Vader will be in advantatge if he returns, so Plagues waiting would be on the side of logic.

Snoke's waiting /inactivity during republic and empire has myriad of problems that Pablo Hidalgo must answer :

1. If Snoke is ultimate being why did he waited so much over a millenia ?

2. If he was not interested, well ...he was interested ...they say he knew everything what happened in the Empire and before.

3. If he is weak, no, and no, weak Snoke means weak new Trilogy, in this case uregently return Plags!

4.If he was "awaken" somewhere somehow, again he weasnt sleeping he observed what happened in known galaxy -Empire.

5. If he is Ultimate being again why is he reserved?

6 . If he simply was not ambitious before , why is he now ambitious to take control of the entire galaxy?

This are logical mind bogling circles I am waiting to be explained in the films, its most critical thing probabaly in entire New trilogy.

 

With the novel out of canon now, I prefer to think there is no Plagus and Palpatine just made him up on the spot to turn Anakin. But thats me.

 

he was definitely Palps master, as seen in the Tarkin novel. i'd much prefer to rule him out though, so i really want to agree with you lol

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there may be less problems with Plagz waiting, if you can get over that one really big problem: him being dead

Snoke has a backstory of his own, we just don't know what it is yet.

they're definitely not going to rehash the plot of some young adult novel for a major blockbuster film written and directed by Rian Johnson. take that to the bank.

#Plagueisisdead

 

We are talking about Snoke as it is.

Certainly Snoke isn't Plags but then we must wait to find I repeat:

1:Why was Snoke inactive during Republic and the Empire, and still he knew,observed what was happening, he says himself he knows everything that happened.

2.If he is lesser character than Palpatine(Dart Sidious), than we have "General Greivous problem" of a villain that can not hold to its role, to weak.

3. If he is ultimate Source of Dark side again why does he strikes only now, after observing for millenia?

4. And again if he is ultimate Force user why is he reserved to the point of hiding in mobile base( we know by now he is probabaly on a super star destroyer cruising in unknown Regions).

5. And if he is just a Snoke= Snoke without elaborate explanation, than New trilogy ends with:" good, we killed that one to, who was it ? who cares he was strong and evil and he got what he deserved, which is a B-movies type of ending.

in short, despite all, a scene like: Luke:"I find who you are...Snoke, or should I call you ....Darth Plagueis ?, will make 100 million people *** instantly, but its up to Disney and LSL to make it not happen.

 

Not to be a smart ass but the timing is bad because Georgy didn't want to make sequels. How else do you introduce a new bad guy 30 years later? It's a difficult situation.

I don't love the choice of destroying the New Republic or new generation of Jedi before we even got to see them onscreen! Now we are back to a small band of freedom fighters against a fallen Skywalker and his master.

 

Totally agree.
But if I can add something, I cannot help but think
that the same logic you're using about the villain, must be used for the hero.

And if the hero is Rey she cannot be the offspring of the Chosen One.
That would be anticlimactic as well.
That's one of the reasons that make me believe Snoke is the Dark Force itself, while Rey is the Light Side itself.

The Chosen One came (PT)
He did what he had to do (OT)
To set the stage where these two "bigger" forces will fight the ulltimate fight. (ST)
He and his offspring as the superweapons the Light Side and the Dark Side used and/or contended each other to win.
To gain victory in all the time (as Yoda said in front of the Force Tree in TCW finale).

 

I agree that Rian is not going to let things follow the same path as the OT. I still believe George Lucas was full of it when he came up with the convenient excuse that "it's poetry, it rhymes" nonsense. Thats a cop out to keep writing unoriginal stories. Also another reason I was hoping Gallius Rax from the Aftermath series was the Snoke backstory.

It also could have been interesting if Snoke wasn't a dark side user. I would have loved if he turned Ben Solo WITHOUT the force, but simply with psychology and wisdom from being alive a long time. Imagine being a regular person but being able to recruit this uber-powerful Skywalker to do your dirty work and rise to power.

 

We can hope "Story Department" understands that any major story inconsistencies in case of Snoke that would be forgiven to Mr George Lucas, will not be forgiven to them .
They must elaborate Snoke's background in perfect way.

 

He is the big bad that orchestrated everything important it seems.
He is also in an established universe so where he comes from matters a great deal more then it did from Palpatine.
He is also unlike Rey harder to predict in that the list of what she can be has been pretty easily limited to some combination of Chosen One, Solo, Skywalker, Kenobi or Palpatine or No One.

 

DP goal was to be immortal. After Palpatine failure he may have felt compelled to step back in. Even though he would no longer be a Sith Lord as a weakened reanimated body, he could take satisfaction in Sideous and Vader's achievements, since he trained and taught Sideous.

 

Just an idea. Can we look at other fictional media with good stories and find the common ingredients that make up their 'bad guy'?

Like, who am I describing below? Remember, think other than Star Wars...

• Overarching central villain.
• Belonging to a blockbuster Fantasy saga.
• Referenced towards the beginning of the story.
• Influenced the events of the main plot.
• Behind the scenes.
• Hiding.
• Under the radar.
• Weakened.
• Escaped death.
• Considered a legend.
• Sustained unnatural life from immortality-like ability.
• Seek to recover lost power after having been considered dead or at least no longer a threat.
• Plot to return and wreak havoc.

Answer:

Spoiler

Sauron.
Lord Voldemort.
The Night King/The White Walkers.
Plagueis/Snoke.

 

I'd say this explanation also suits Gollum.