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What was your Clone Theory?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Ralok-one, Nov 8, 2014.

  1. Ralok-one

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    Look... before The Attack of the Clones, in our childhood or adulthood or whatever age you are or were... you probably had a pet theory on what the Clone Wars was. Personally I adore what we got, I dont think anyone could have seen The progenitors of the stormtroopers being republic troops coming.

    Even though we know from A New Hope that the empire is descended from the the republic (The last remnants of the old republic have been swept away). But that isnt the point, before ATOC, waht did you think the Clone Wars would be? I really want to hear my fellow fans theories :)


    Now... I didnt give it much thought, or at least I cant remember giving it much thought... I was like 7 when the Phantom Menace came out. I am fairly certain that I saw the original trilogy before that, but I cant for the life of me remember what I thought the Clone Wars was going to be.

    I am not even sure I had a theory. But when The Phantom Menace came out I believed very strongly it would involve Darth Maul clones because Darth Maul was so awesome that I couldn't fathom the idea of two more movies without him.
     
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    I always thought it was a war between clone soldiers and the Jedi Knights from the very beginning. The Jedi being defending the Republic and the clones performing a coup d'état to establish the Empire.
    The whole idea of the clones fighting along the Jedi against another group, and then betraying the Jedi, took me off guard.
     
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    Never really thought about it because I grew up you did as a Prequel kid. In the old 90s EU novels did they make any mention of this?
     
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    The Thrawn trilogy did. It was quite different they had to retcon it. Something about Clones being the bad guys fighting the Jedi under orders of "Clone Masters" or what-have-you.
     
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    Ah, but the Thrawn Trilogy also introduced the first instance of cloned troopers in white armor... I was rather shocked to find it out, and I would not at all be surprised to find out if that was the inspiration for the Clone Troopers.
     
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    Clones I thought were evil...some other group that died off
     
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    I wasn't a big EU fan and always wanted the ST instead of the PT, but one of best friends is the exact opposite. He was convinced that Emperor Palpatine was a clone when they announced the Episode II title in 2001. I'll have to ask him, but I think he said that came from the Thrawn Trilogy Novels?
     
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    Yeah, I thought the clones were fighting against the Jedi too. I also thought there was a chance that all kinds of different creatures would be cloned for warring purposes, like big dinosaurs.

    Here's another theory I had: I thought Palpatine was a clone of Darth Sidious. Shows what I know...
     
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    Thanks for this thread, great idea!

    I actually thought it was the Jedi vs the Mandalorians. I can't say precisely where I got that from, but it may have been from an early Star Wars encyclopedia. Although I'm not sure what Mandalorians have to do with clones, but the thought of those battles to me is epic. So when I saw the magazine cover of Jango, I thought for sure there would be more Mandalorian involvement.

    Now, this thread actually gave me a prequel rewrite ephiphany. What if the clones were the subject of the war, but not in the war itself. Why not increase the political intriege aspect by having a conflict between the Mandalorians and the Republic over the ethics of clone usage i.e. clones are still people, you can't just enslave them or send them to die in war etc. The irony would be that the 'Jedi' had a clone army made for the republic without its consent, illustrating the hypocracy of the Jedi and furthering the conspiracy that they are trying to take over. The republic soldiers being made up of clones would actually be a reveal later on rather than an explicit plot point.

    I'm curious of what others think of this idea and how you may expand upon it.

    It always bothered me in the prequels how explictly stated things were or how certain aspects were either forced or glossed over. Yoda's declaration of the clone wars was not the worst offense, but it always bothered me how forced it felt. What if an arguement in the senate with the Mandalorians led to this statement.

    "You sir have condemed us to war, over clones...a clone war."
     
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    hey you weren't that far off you know :) they at least have mando heritage.

    and your idea of "What if the clones were the subject of the war, but not in the war itself." I think is rather interesting and unique of an idea.

    Maybe the Mandalorians would be extremely angry about how the fact that the clones being oppressed, were from mandalorian stock? Maybe you could even incorporate Palpatine and the Sith into this, have him provoking the Mandalorians by telling them how their people are serving as slaves as clones...

    But I would go one step further by having both sides utilize clones, but in totally different ways.
     
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    I know I didn't specify very well, but my thought would be that the Mandalorians would be the ones that would want to use clones, not the other way around. The Mandalorians would basically be employing social Darwinism to objectify the clones for use in war and as industrial slave labor, with the righteous Republic opposing such oppression. This would allow Palpatine to compromise the credibility of the Jedi and frame them for hypocritical clone usage. It could also be revealed later that the Mandalorian senator was actually working with Palpatine all along and was 'encouraged' to endorse cloning.

    However, I like your idea also, it makes a lot of sense.

    In reference to both sides using clones, I figured the droid soldiers would constitute clones of a sort. I actually imagined that the standard battle droids would be the torture droid from Jabba's palace and the super battle droids would be Ig-88s. Because after all, why would the droid armies not be reprogramed for other uses and be visible around the galaxy? Not to mention the torture droids have a more imposing aesthetic.
     
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    Unfortunately I didn't have the opportunity to create a theory about the Clone Wars after watching A new Hope. Yeah, I just started to watch and like Star Wars in 2011. But I did watched a few episodes of The Clone Wars in 2009 and I loved.
     
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    Maybe there is a compromise between these two ideas... perhaps the reason why Mandalorians were dissatisfied with mando clones being used, was because it was discluding mandos from this system of social darwinism? because these mandos weren't getting a chance to show themselves as warriors, it was removing them from their purpose.

    One time I had the idea that Dr. Evasen (pig nose cantina guy) and the Rancor were both results of the clone wars, Pig nosed dude being a degenated clone... or perhaps the rancors being a species of ultra clones bred from the best DNA from the best soldiers of each battle.

    soldier to do best in first battle gets clones that are enhanced -> soldier that does best in the next batch gets enhanced clones -> eventually rancors.
     
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    I never thought about the dear doctor before.

    "I have the death sentence on twelve systems."

    He must have commited great crimes to be wanted in tweleve systems. Interesting...

    Now that you have me thinking about it, could he have been involved in genetic manipulation i.e. what if rancors are not a natural species. He may have even sold them on the black market. Imagine that...
     
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    Man, him being a doctor in the EU really contributes to this whole idea...

    and the more I think about this re-write... the Mandos may view the mando clones living as workers in the republic as being oppressed because they are not allowed to participate in their... social and genetic dawinistic structure. And the republic would view the clones in mando society as being oppressed because of it...

    Both governments would have a system for treating clones, that could cause the other to view their treatment of the clones as being corrupt... and the sad irony is that nobody would ever ask the clones what they think about these systems, or which they would prefer. Maybe that would ultimately be how Palpatine could grasp power, by appealing to the clones on both sides.

    Dangit now I am starting to wish that this stuff was what happened in the clone wars, and I actually really like the version of the clone wars Lucas(film) came up with.
     
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    Growing up with only the OT to inform me I thought it was Jedi Knights leading brigades of soldiers against clones of themselves lol shows what I knew. I never saw what we got coming.

    I never understood how Sifo Dyas could afford to order clones in the first place? The explanation of that in the movies was never explained enough for me; were they ordered by Sifo Dyas, or did Sidious order them?
     
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    After reading The Empire Strikes Back I thought the clones would all be wearing Mandolorian armor. I always pictured a massive army of them that the Jedi fought against, not fighting along side of.

    Before The Phantom Menace came out and seeing the action figure line that were to accompany it, I thought Queen Amidala had cloned handmaidens serving her with one being Padme. I believed that Naboo held to secret to cloning and that is why Sidious wanted control over it, with Palpatine coming form the planet he knew of the secret but not the technology.
     
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    you know what is amazing about what you just said... this was similar to one of George Lucas' original ideas concerning clones found in "the star wars" draft (you can read a comic adaption now)

    the reason the empire attacked the princesses planet in that story was to get access to the planets cloning technologies.
     
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    I always assumed that the clones were the soldiers of whatever evil faction came before the Empire (I was kinda right though). Although before that point I always assumed that Palpatine and Darth Vader had exterminated the Jedi using their own powers (we didn't know how many Jedi there were back then).
     
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    You see? The prequels surprised everyone with the Clone story. :)
     
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