Where are the plot holes?

Lol is that the best you've got. Are you going to explain the flaw of Fin and the Asian chick at the end. How about Poe's unbelievable strafing run against a dreadnought. Padded nonsensical plots. Drastic character trait changes etc etc etc

 

You might feel that, but that doesn't make it a plothole. If what you say is true then its a so-called character incongruity which is something different from a plothole. That's what you are referring to. Personally I don't agree that it's a character incongruity.

At the end of ROTJ Luke is left with four paradigms of how he should act in the face of adversity:

1. Saving and helping your friends no matter the destructive consequences (Empire Strikes Back)
2. Throwing away the sabre and trusting the force (ROTJ)
3. Self-imposed exile and rumination (the examples of his masters, connected to paradigm number 2.)
4. Letting go of life through an act of self-sacrifice thus setting an example (like his masters)

Luke's self-imposed exile after his conflict with Ben (as he says, against his better judgement he wanted to help his friends and train Ben) is in fact the product of the new insight he had gained when he threw away the sabre on the deathstar. For him, throwing away the sabre and going into exile is the wisest thing to do from his perspective at that particular moment. It is also exactly what his masters, whose wisdom he trusts, had done when they had faced a similar situation.

But what the movie wants to show is that solutions to previous situations might not work in each and every new context. With Rey's arrival Luke is suddenly confronted with his most fundamental psychological conflict. His friends are again calling for his help but he fears that helping them might make things worse again. He knows that the true wisdom is too stay put and trust the force like he did when he threw away the sabre on the deathstar. How to combine these two fundamentally opposing actions? Both choices don't seem to be applicable to the new situation in which he himself and his friends and family find themselves. Luke resolves this again by following the example of his masters, Yoda, but most importantly Obi Wan. Luke figures out that he must set an example and that he will become more powerful and more useful to his friends if he sacrifices himself.

This time Rey and the Resistance are Luke in ANH, and Luke in TLJ has become Obi Wan. Obi Wan waits for Luke to see him and only then sacrifices himself. Yoda waits for Luke to return and then sacrifices himself. When all our heroes and villains are gathered on Crait, Luke sacrifices himself but not after exposing the futility of First Order military might compared to the power of the force. He has now finally learned the ultimate lesson.

 

Kid, I don't have to be at my best to counter your puerile criticisms. I don't know what point you're making about Finn and Rose nor do I see an issue with Poe's flying. If you're asking me to explain why fantastical things happen in a fantasy sci-fi set a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, you'll be waiting a long time.

 

Now I have no doubt you're quite interment with starwars lore. All that sounds like it came from a codex. And you might be right about Lukes character, even though people actually affiliated with the production believed it way off course with who Luke was .But I know a blast movie when I see one, and I still see glaring plotholes and padded nonsensical story lines

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FO completely ignores an easy kill of Fin and Rose. And who needs the force when Poe obviously and take on every ship of the FO single handedly

 

You quote my post and say that? Sheesh!

 

So anything fantastical can happen in this new trilogy, and you're quite happy to swallow it. How about Jabba is resurrected from the dead and becomes the new Jedi hero of the resistance. Sounds good to me

 

Yes, because that is on the same level of Poe shooting some big guns on a FO ship.

 

You need to realize the FO is a joke, Snoke ended up being a clown, Hux is a clown and Kylo is an unstable psychotic clown.
You expect them to be competent and fire on Finn and Rose when their two leaders are fighting each other like two spoiled brats and they had been ordered to aim every gun at Luke?
Palpatine would probably be turning in his grave if he could see what remained of his beloved empire.

 

i think JJ Abrams is rolling in his grave, and poor guy isn't even dead

EDIT: Language

 

You realise you very nearly quoted ANH there?

GOLD LEADER
Pardon me for asking, sir, but what
good are snub fighters going to be
against that?

DODONNA
Well, the Empire doesn't consider a
small one-man fighter to be any
threat, or they'd have a tighter
defense. An analysis of the plans
provided by Princess Leia has
demonstrated a weakness in the battle
station.

Every Star Wars film, at some point, makes the point about the bad guys being arrogant and not taking notice of the "little people".
It's why the Rebels were able to destroy the Death Star. Twice. With Ewoks. But yeah, TLJ is ridiculous.

 

Why do you always call everyone 'Kid'. You called me 'kid' once and it annoyed me.

Stop calling everyone kid. We are older than you.

Ok....carry on everyone.

Ps. TLJ was rubbish. You will come around one day kid. LOL

Sorry.

 

Exactly.

Stop acting like one then.

Case in point.

 

Well the empire didn't realize their massive space station had had a massive flaw built into it by a disgruntled employee. I'll have to forgive them for that oversight. And we weren't talking a lone fighter facing numerous turrets and defensive measures. Don't forget a lot of good pilots died in both attempts

 

Abrams reacted that way after recently reading the Episode VIII script.

“He read it and said something he never, ever says,” Grunberg said of Abrams. “He said: ‘It’s so good, I wish I were making it.’”

http://ew.com/article/2015/12/23/jj-abrams-star-wars-episode-viii/

 

There's literally dialogue that says "he's going up against the dreadnaught...hah ha ha", followed by "We should've sent out the Tie's 5 minutes ago!". It's pretty much exactly like the Rebels vs the Death Star.

Your lack of Star Wars knowledge here is baffling.

 

You mean Mark Hamill? He believed that yes, when he first read the script, this wasn't the hero he had imagined. But then when he had seen the final result and what Rian had intended he changed his mind and loves what he did with Luke and realizes why it was necessary. So, Hamill's reaction to this movie is actually corresponding with the larger theme of this movie: when you meet your heroes they might not be how you had imagined them. Poetic.

 

Once again even the amount of turrets on that dreadnought should have turned Poe into swiss cheese. Don't care about my starwars lore mate, a bad movie is a bad movie. And that qoute just goes to show how bad the writing is. The FO turn up unprepared for any sort of resistance, what a bunch of morons

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Yeah they're hollow and devoid of character