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SPECULATION Which Force Ghost will/would we most likely see in 8?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Lord Skywalker, May 25, 2016.

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Who would it be?

  1. Obi-Wan

    8 vote(s)
    10.4%
  2. Anakin

    18 vote(s)
    23.4%
  3. Yoda

    46 vote(s)
    59.7%
  4. Qui-Gon

    2 vote(s)
    2.6%
  5. Other

    3 vote(s)
    3.9%
  1. Lord Skywalker

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    I was thinking with the latest rumors that Frank Oz would be reprising his role as Yoda and a puppet being created, I got thinking about some possibilities of Force Ghosts most likely in the order of their possible appearance.

    If I had to take a guess, I think Yoda would be the most likely FG to return to the new trilogy, then a tie between Anakin and Obi-Wan for 2nd most likely.

    My only concern would be the essential retconning of Alec Guinness's version of the Obi FG and some more ardent fans reactions. I personally would love to see Ewan play a FG Obi in this movie.

    Yoda - would need him to give Luke and Rey more old Jedi knowledge, could provide more secrets about the Jedi that Luke hadn't been able to find on his own. Also could provide knowledge on how to defeat Snoke.

    Anakin - could be an interesting dynamic set between father - son - possible granddaughter. Could warn Rey of the danger of temptations and the power of the darkside having been both Jedi and Sith, could explain the prophecy of the Chosen One and help train Rey in both sides of the Force and how to combat the Dark Side. Would be interesting to see if he has been communicating with Luke on Ach-To.

    Obi-Wan - he was Luke's father figure and mentor in the OT, could help provide some comfort to Luke and Rey and provide some wisdom to both of them, could play a similar role to Yoda here.

    These are my thoughts, if I had to guess today, I would say Yoda would probably be the most likely candidate for appearing in 8, I would love to hear what you guys think.
     
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    I voted Yoda for obvious reasons. But who knows, maybe for Episode IX they could have Qui-gon, Obi wan, Anakin and Yoda appear as Force Ghosts at the same time.
     
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    Excellent points on each character, @Lord Skywalker, very well thought out!
    It's rather tough in a way, if they only bring one back, there has to be a good reason for it. Obviously the rumors are pointing towards Yoda, so I question what kind of advice or knowledge would he pass on, and would it be unique to him?
    It could be a matter of practicality, using Yoda. He's easier compared to the Guinness/McGregor issue, and there's plenty of debate about using Christensen as Anakin again. So from my perspective, using Yoda would be the easiest and the least problematic. You avoid any backlash. (Unless they use a bad puppet or get people upset with CGI ;))

    Story line wise, I could see why they would use any of them, it would be great to see Obi-Wan talking about normal Jedi things and the history of the Clone Wars, the Empire, and how this has lead to the First Order. It would be a great history lesson and ethics/moral class for us.
    Anakin would be neat because of his perspective of being the Chose One, and what the heck that actually means. But that better be handled well or you're going to upset one or both groups of the PT haters and lovers.
    Yoda would also be a great choice because of his wisdom and knowledge of the Force and Jedi ways.
    Qui-Gon just doesn't make a whole lot of since because Luke never knew him, and he didn't have a personal impact in the OT.
     
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    In current canon, has a force ghost appeared to somebody who never saw them when they were alive.

    like an example, Qui-gon appearing to Luke or Yoda appearing to Leia.
     
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    Thinking about Anakin appearing to Rey has my mind jumping to several plot possibilities. Forums have discussed the possibility of Rey turning to the Dark Side. If Anakin appears to her before that occurrence, it could spur her farther along that path for a number of convoluted reasons. She would be able to identify with his personal road, even though he chose light at the end. On the other hand, if Rey is grounded in the Light, Anakin could strengthen either her resolve by pointing to his final decision or something else that I haven't thought about.

    Personally, I'd like to see Obi Wan return as a FG. Yoda seems overused to me at this point. He is definitely the obvious choice, but I love Obi Wan. His impact on Luke would be foreshadowing for Rey's journey, or whomever he appeared to. He is detached enough to not sway the main character too much (which is my concern about Anakin), but his advice is still wise and would add a lot to the movie from my perspective.

    Good thread!
     
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    if Anakin can't talk sense to his silly grandson, i wouldn't mind him pleading on his behalf to Rey to convince her to try to help Luke save him (because she's certainly not disposed to at the moment). that would make some kind of narrative sense ~ and i wouldn't mind giving Christiansen a chance to redeem himself.

    otherwise i wouldn't mind seeing Obi-Wan even if he is Ewan McGregor (in fact, that'd be very nice).

    i got no love for Yoda. i agree he's overused at this point. hahaha
     
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    There is rumors of frank oz doing yodi... 1.Yodi 2.Obi-wan 3.Anakin/Vader is all we'll see if any.
     
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    Do we even know if Anakin tried to talk with Kylo? I don't understand why he wouldn't do that for his own grandson but would do that for Rey, unless being a FG he has some awesome knowledge of the future, and that explains his reasons. It also raises the questions of why would Rey still turn to the Dark Side even after Anakin (of all people) talked with her. What would he have said? He must speak about how false, wicked, and meaninglessness the Dark Side is. He can't simply give his opinion on the matter (and this is Anakin after all, when did he simply give an opinion? Haha), he would pretty much be pouring his heart out to her. Which again raises the question why he didn't do that for Ben.
    If Rey does fall, there can be no redemption for her because she willingly turned to the Dark Side, she wasn't manipulated or tricked like Anakin and Ben.
    @DagobahGal, as you said she would be able to identify with him, then he should be able to point out where that road takes her. Pain, suffering, loss, anger, rage, you name it, he experienced it. She can't simply say "Oh what would he know?", she's talking with the ghost of the man formally known as Darth Vader. Haha. It would have be more than the being able to relate and identify, it would be a complete rejection of the Light Side for some selfish and wicked reason. And I do not mean saving her friends. It has to be awful, and we have to hate for it! Like the way a lot of people hate Kylo after he kil... he kil... you know... the bridge scene.
    But if she continues in the path of the Light, then Anakin could only prove more so that is wise and why, and a bunch of good stuff.

    Now, Obi-Wan would be awesome! But I can only really see him communing with Luke. Unless he serves a greater purpose for the other characters, it would be much more personal if he were mainly (or only) talking with Luke. Of course, as I said in my earlier post, the reason of whoever the FG character is has to serve a purpose, it has to be from their unique perspective on the Force and the situation. I'm afraid old Ben is too far removed from the new characters (unless Rey really is a Kenobi!) for him to fulfill that purpose.
    With Yoda, he is just as distanced from the new cast like Obi-Wan, but it makes more sense because he is known for his wisdom. I do agree that he has been overused recently, but here me out: I can't the PT and Clone Wars version. He's not wise, he's not very funny (mainly in the PT), and his purpose in those films are worlds apart (pun not fully intended) from his purpose in the OT! Do I want to see that Yoda? Heck no! I don't enjoy the Yoda. That's the version I yell at. Ask my family. It's true.
    But! Do I want to see the Yoda from ESB and ROTJ? You bet I do! That Yoda is wise, and humorous, but he also has an impact. That's the Yoda I can see who can transcend and appear in different stories from different people across the galaxy. That's just my hope if we get Yoda.

    And I do have to bring up the argument of practicality. Frank Oz uses his voice, and it hasn't changed that much. And anyone can do the puppet. That's easy enough. With Obi-Wan, I personally would not mind seeing Ewen McGregor reprise the role, but it would look very off when the only time we've seen him as a FG is when he looks like Alec Guinness. I'd also think a lot of people would get very mad with that, and that could be part of the reason the filmmakers are not using Obi-Wan. Save him for a spinoff. :)
    As for Christensen... well... I generally like to give people a second chance, but I can't stand his acting. I've watched several stuff, I'm an actor myself so I've really studied it... he's awful. I'm sorry, I know I'm a jerk for saying that. If Anakin could be played by an older fellow who looks like Sebastian Shaw, then I'd be all for it.
     
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    I think that the
    Well it HAS to be Hayden due to the retcon in ROTJ...as an actor myself, I think that Hayden is very underused and underrated which is why he hasn't been able to get the most out of his performances but the most obvious/easiest options would be Anakin & Yoda but maybe even Qui-Gon Jinn.
     
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    I voted "Other" just because it would be amazing to watch Plagueis Force Ghost on Movie (to all the Plagueis theory Fans out there).

    Quite honestly my true vote goes to "Revan" but that might never happen. Why bring the Force Ghosts back? I believe there will be no Force Ghosts in the new trilogy in respect to the Asian Market, no ghosts or Dead People hanging around....
     
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    I voted Yoda but I don't think it'll be needed. If Yoda does make an appearance that'd be cool though.
     
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    It seems certain that Yoda is making an appearance in Episode VIII the only questions is whether it's as a force ghost or flashback. We could learn later on that Luke lost touch with the force ghosts. Maybe their ability to visit him wanes over time. This could be why he's looking for a Jedi Temple. TFA was about finding Luke. Luke could be looking for a temple to talk to Yoda.
     
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    we don't know if he's ever had contact with Anakin. i think the prevailing thought is that Force Ghosts don't/can't appear to Dark siders and so Anakin can't reach him, which is why i was thinking maybe he could reach Rey through Luke if she needed convincing to help bring Ben back. just spinning ideas, really.

    Rey has no reason to want to save Ben and Luke telling her he's salvageable might not be enough. if she gets it from the horse's mouth (Anakin, who's been through the Dark side and back) that might convince her. i ain't married to this idea at all. i'd prefer she came to understand Ren Ben through a Force bond or something instead and we dispensed with the Force Ghosts altogether.

    i'd be okay with a Sebastian Shaw stand-in as well, i guess. i've actually never seen Christiansen in anything else.
     
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    Quite right, that's why I wonder if Anakin ever spoke to Ben before his fall. That would add more his brokenness trying to speak with Vader in TFA, trying to find the ghost not of Anakin, but of Vader, because they have spoke... Ugh, creepy thought.

    Right, Rey has no real reason to save Ben, which is why there needs to be a lot more told about both of them, and would kind of influence a FG would have. Which, strange as it sounds, I think Yoda would be better. He could just give his cool wise Yoda advice, but with Anakin there would be too much emotion and such, that it might come across as his own perspective, not that of someone who is the eternal Force. But, there needs to be a connecting story between Rey and Kylo (if he is to be redeemed), and the FG's would only encourage their journey.

    Yeah, in my opinion, Christensen is pretty much the same in everything else. Which is pretty sad, because I was trying to be nice and find a way to get him back in...
     
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    wow. that's a sad thought i don't want in my head ~ hahaha. i do have the feeling that Kylo Ren has seen something perhaps in a Forceback like Rey did (especially if he once had the light saber) that causes him to want to make a literal connection there. he acquired that helmet to be close to his grandfather and Vader is clearly his only real confident (which is sad enough as it is).

    true, that. emotionally it could be messy between the Skywalkers and Rey might be cynical or doubtful. whereas someone like Obi-Wan or Yoda might have a more detached, neutral perspective. i'd still pick Obi-Wan, though it looks like Yoda might be a given at this point.

    awww, this is disappointing.
     
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    Haha, sorry about that. He must have had some connection before, or he's just really hoping for one with Vader. A Forceback makes more sense, good point.

    Yeah, Obi-Wan would have been great. I really hope he gets a spinoff soon.

    Mhm. It is...
     
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    i can't seem to get excited about a Han Solo movie or whatever else they've got going on, but oh man, i would LOVE an Obi-Wan movie!
     
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    Haha, same here! I really hope the Han Solo movie is amazing, mainly because we'll think the actor did a great job. But Obi-Wan? SIGN ME UP!!!
     
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    the ghost of the past, with all these old ideas.
     
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