SPOILER Who dies in EP 7?

Dude, i read it before i posted on this thread, i wanted to see what the fuss you were making was about but through my interactions with you i can see that this is no longer worth my attention.

 

way to stay on topic.

and btw...WWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

 

Kylo must survive. Probably he will be the our main villain, for the entire trilogy. Maybe Phasma will die, but I hope not.

 

I'm fine with Kylo and Hux dying but not Captain Phasma, not yet anyway.

 

Hard to say. Maybe the third trailer will give us a clue about a posible death. Trailer 2 of TPM gave me the clue about Qui-gon's death.

 

The OT saw the deaths of only two major "hero" characters - Obi-Wan and Yoda, and they both returned as ghosts, considerably softening their deaths. In the PT, Qui-Gon dies without reappearing as a ghost, but it is revealed at the end of RotS that he has found a way to contact Yoda from the beyond. The only other "hero" death of any significance is Padme, but while this is an important death it didn't have a huge impact since it was known from before the character was even introduced that she would not survive long after her children were born, and Padme never really resonated with audiences.

If Han dies in the Force Awakens, as many are presuming he will, it will be uncharted territory for Star Wars. Han Solo is arguably the most beloved character in the franchise (if not he's close), and since he is not a Jedi, he won't be showing up later as a ghost to reassure audiences that his death is not quite as final as death is in real life.

You can move on from losing Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon and still have a celebratory ending, because audiences haven't invested in them too deeply. You can move quickly past the deaths of Owen and Beru for the same reason. You can even move past the loss of an entire planet, because audiences don't know a single person there.

You cannot just move past the death of Han Solo.

There's no way they can kill off Han and have the movie be anything other than somber at the end. The only comparable screen death I can think of is Spock at the end of Star Trek 2, and they closed the film with his funeral and still left audiences with reason to believe he could return.

I'm wondering if JJ and Co. really understand just how big of an impact Han's death would be on the movie. If they try to gloss over it, and leave us with a ANH style "happy ending", I don't think it will be received well. If they quickly move past it in the story and don't do something to memorialize him at the end, that will be worse. If they pay Han the respect at the end that audience will want, it will mean the most somber ending for any Star Wars movie to date. And while that is certainly possible, it would be a dramatic shift in tone for a trilogy opener.

It's going to be a very difficult thing to get right and still be the kind of movie Disney needs to relaunch the franchise.

I can't wait to see how it plays out.

As for Kylo Ren, my feeling is if he turns out to be a descendant of Darth Vader, he will survive. That would be too important of a story line to wrap up in the opening chapter of the trilogy.

 

Predictions from my end- General Hux, Han Solo, MvS, and countless faceless grunts lost in the tragedy of Galactic conflict

 

Dookus exist for a reason, remember to use your Dooku

Well I'm biased since I wrote that whole editorial how I think it's great storytelling to kill Han. Have we each made bets in the cantina on the matter? I don't remember. I know have a decent amount riding on Kylo Ren not being a Solowalker

 

The "must" part is what I dont understand. Resistance podcast #2 says Luke fights Kylo post Han death. Why does adam driver of all people survive a enraged Luke? Del Torro is in Ep 8, JJ needs a twist ending, Kasdan is darker writer, all leads too...

Kylo bites the dust and it makes the wait for the next movie tolerable because at least there was a ending with some stakes involved. Couple old guys getting whacked doesn't beat Avatar...

 

Our Resistance podcast #2? I don't remember saying that

 

Do you want another Maul? Im not. Will JJ destroy (if he did) another great (if it is..) character?

 

Luke intervenes in the Kylo/Rey/Finn fight was said, i added post Han part b/c its almost a 100% given his desire to be axed and "enraged" Luke b/c of Muzzlewump

Maul had THREE lines. Driver gets two hours as main protagonist. You'll have enough by the end, people are already complaining about the voice. Plus the guy has a busted remote as a lightsaber so ALL this added up screams over-confident straw man put up by Snoke for some reason (to get to Rey?)...

 

Ah I think you're talking about Pomo's speculation, that's what I figured. Pomo himself could speak more on that, I disagree with him myself that it will happen but I would like to see it.

 

Where are you with Luke? Because IMO Disney didnt buy LF to watch Hamill age another two years in a "save him for ep 8" campaign. If Han dies without Luke being there I will vomit on the person in front of me.

 

Ask to the fans about the Maul's death in TPM and most of them will say that this character deserved to last a little longer (in my opionion the entire trilogy). Instead of that they created hollow characters like Dooku and Grievous (worst villain in the SW series) that most of us don't care about. Even Jango Fett was kind of poor if you compares him to Boba Fett. My point is: keep a good character for the entire trilogy, one that most of the people (fans) will care about.

And Benicio del Toro could be another officer in ep. VIII, maybe a stronger sucessor of Hux. We don't know nothing about Toro' character yet.

 

Not that I agree with the approach but I do feel we are seeing very little Luke in VII. As it stands there is nowhere for him to appear in the plot. I at first thought we would see him duel Kylo, hopefully we will.

We will get him in a flashback and at the end, I feel like he needs some way of being introduced before the very last scene, but I don't know how they would do that without creating some sort of plot hole.

 

I will bring a bucket in case you need it.


Making Star Wars claims that we don't see Luke until the end of the film. I don't call them the perfect source, but story wise, it really makes sense to me.

Also they claim Kylo Ren falls off a piece of cliff that breaks off in the woods near Star Killer base. So our heroes do not know whether or not he survives. I essentially assume this means he survives.

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Perhaps we hear his voice? Like maybe he sends a message to Han and Leia via the force?

Not what people want, but possible.

 

Totally agree that is possible. And if it does JJ and everyone blew it because that sounds like an end to a animated 1995 spiderman episode rather than a movie that is supposed to beat Avatar.

Plot hole? How about Chewie staying in the falcon, after not seeing Luke for years, possibly post Sundance Kid (Han) getting whacked - while some no name chick who has never been in a movie walks up the steps. MSW ending gets Kathleen Kennedy fired...