SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

Since this is the "Why Snoke is Important" thread and not the "TFA is a reboot" thread, I'll change the subject back to what I believe is big news from the VF Reddit AMA.

"Do we learn anything about Snoke's identity? Does he get a fight scene?"
"I asked Rian Johnson about Snoke—Who/what is he?—and Rian was fairly up front in saying that Snoke is not a character he particularly gets into in TLJ. Hmmm."

So we have Rian saying he doesn't "get into" Snoke. We have MSW saying they've seen Snoke wearing much different clothing with lots of gold and he's protected by special guards. One could infer that Snoke has more screen time, but not more exposition. We may see a little more of Snoke, but we don't get backstory on him. Kind of like we never got backstory on Palpatine.

If true, this is a bit disappointing. It means they are still following the old formula a little too closely when it comes to Snoke/Kylo being the Emperor/Vader duo. I personally don't need much more on Kylo. We just need to see him mature as a tortured fallen Solo/Skywalker. I vote against redemption BTW.

The parts of Kylo's life that are intriguing surround SNOKE! I want dialog alluding to their relationship. How Ben Solo was corrupted. Why Snoke is so Wise. What Snokes vision is. I hope we still get that.

 

In both middle chapters of the previous trilogies the head baddie was only briefly seen. I would gather Snoke's end game will come out in Episode 9. This chapter focuses on the characters' conflict - Snoke's end game is much grander. It makes sense.

 

Yes, pretty much what I was going to say. Snoke's end game will play explicitly into the set up for the next trilogy. I think that trilogy will have something to do with the threat from the unknown regions which I am guessing will have something to do with a resurgent Rakata empire (Rakata Prime being canon and all that) facing up against the Galactic Alliance and the Chiss Ascendancy.

 

Or he's not as integral as we think. A line or two of explination establish him as a Imp governor with Dark Side history.

An ancient Dark Side prophet trapped in obscurity in unknown regions that reforged the Imp Remnant into the 1st Order.

"I was once an Inquisitor in the service of your grand father. I live for the day Kylo Ren when you surpass my teachings and truly take up mantle of your grandfather."

Even the DP theory: For more than a half a century I watched growing in hate and power waiting for the time I could assert order once more to the galaxy. I drove the Force to create your grand father and therefore you Kylo Ren.

You don't need to deal much with him to answer the question.

 

Or Kylo sees him as a stepping stone for the ultimate power and offs him.
Or maybe Hux does...

 

And you do it again.

You didn't offend anyone with your take of TFA - try dealing with what is actually said, its difficult I know.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: anyone who calls TFA a remake or reboot of ANH is using a lazy argument and does not clearly grasp what is happening in both films and the aspects of storytelling.

Star Wars always has echoes. This is nothing new. I truly believe one of the reasons why Rey was not found on Tatooine was to push against "remake" arguments.

In part I blame clickbait writers and irresponsible reviewers who used the "remake" argument upon initial viewing and threw it into their reviews. The movie makes story-telling choices while keeping the echoes of previous films not just ANH. I'm wondering when the "remake" arguments will start since in Attack of the Clones we went to a bar that had gambling in a seedy portion of town and in ESB we went to a city in the clouds that was about extravagance and now we're going to a casino that has gambling and extravagance?

My guess we won't. Because you know....J.J. gets a bad rap.

 

I think details likethis will left for the EU, in the movies we'll get just enough to make the movies make sense

Watch the OT and you'll realize how little know about the Emperor - we don't learn his name, how he came to power, is he the first of a dynasty the 2-3 emperor, what planet he is from etc... - all you really learn about him is that he is the Emperor, he is evil, he can use the force.

 

It's funny if you go back read the first reviews for ESB and ROTJ.
A lot of "too similar" "doesn't offer much new" type reviews

 

This gives a feeling of trepidation that the PT backlash fears have LF planning to follow the OT pattern step-by-step. I personally do not want a rebooted OT. The PT needs to carve it's own path.

 

I think the new trilogy is actually mirroring the PT more than the OT from a story perspective while visually taking from the OT more than the PT.

 

True they don't need to give us more.

Good Lord does that mean we might get an interim trilogy pre-sequel to tell us of the fall of Kylo and the destruction of the new jedi.

 

Either Snokey isn’t an important character, or LFL will be expanding on him in future films. There is no way he can be set up as a formidable, genuine villain with about 4 mins screen time in TFA, more in TLJ but no exposition and then leaving IX to somehow flesh his story out whilst dealing with….the rest of the characters arcs.

This, to me, is a different scenario to the Emperor in IV, V and VI (how he wasn’t established or expanded upon etc). We are dealing with a new threat 30 years after ROTJ, we know the saga’s past and to have a (potentially) big bad not really do a lot before getting killed in IX? Not good.

BUT – in LFL I trust!

 

Nobody wants to touch it because he's such a cruddy character. This just adds more fuel to the fire that he's "just some guy." If Ep. 9 ends with zero backstory on him, and he's just some cheesy "bad guy from deep space," and that's it. Well...consider that a story failure.

 

No they'll give us a novel and/or comic book series.

Why not? The Emperor was. Vader was originally.

 

No trilogy. Post ROTJ series. Give me a Dave Filoni series that goes back to the The Clone Wars animation style and you can count me in.

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Because the fans and movie going public are more sophisticated nowadays. We know there are ways they can address Snoke's background with just a few minutes of dialog that would add weight to the character. If Rian Johnson punted the ball to Colin Treverrow, that would be a mistake in my opinion. Because I believe Snoke was poorly conceived by JJ, I've been of the mindset that he should be killed off by the 2nd act of TLJ. That way the focus goes to eliminating Kylo Ren and the First Order. Hopefully these fears are unfounded.

 

They need to let Filoni walk. And you won't get another series with Clone Wars style animatino - its too expensive.

We didn't get a lot of informatino about Maul or Jango or Dooku or Grievous. The amount of info you need about Snoke to tell a good story in the ST and the amount of info the hardcore fans will want are two different things. Its why the EU exists.

 

Filoni isn't going anywhere. That animation may have been too expensive back when they were producing them, but thats probably not an issue now. A post ROTJ series with less kid-friendly theme would probably be a huge hit.

As for Maul, Jango and Grevious. None of them were the equivalent of Palpatine. They were fodder. Throw away villains. Dooku should have been used more and Grevious should have never existed in my opinion.

Here's the deal. I agree that we don't need a ton of info on Snoke. BUT, we are talking about the guy that is succeeding Emporer Friggin Palpatine! You can't have a throw-away style guy succeed someone we saw rise to create the Galactic Empire. Snoke resurrecting the Empire is a big deal. That deserves some explanation. What we have so far is Empire 2.0 and Rebels 2.0 and nothing but books to fill in the why.

 

Unfortunately you're probably right - but he shoudl go. They also aren't make a non-kid friendly cartoon series, and I don't think there should be non-kid friendly Star Wars. And yes the Clone Wars animation is still too expensive - Lucas didn't care, he wanted what he wanted. For Disney the bottom line is more important.

Whatever you opinion of the hcaracters is - fact is none were expanded on in great detail. We don't need a lot of detail on Snoke in the film.

Snoke didn't resurrect the Empire. ANd yes, thats what the books are for. Expanding beyond the bare-min. needed for the films.