SPECULATION WIll we get Rey and Kylo's backstories told in 8?

Yea sure! This was the originally intended flashback call sheets:

There's lots of typos but you get the gist. "Rose" was codename for Maz, "The Seven" are the Knights of Ren.

This was leaked by MSW a while back. All the other scenes from this sequence are accurate, but the flashback was cut to only what we see in the film. Also, Rose using her "special skills" was filmed, but also cut from the movie.

Here's the article: http://makingstarwars.net/2015/02/f...-be-up-to-before-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

 

Same here. Efficiency is key, but having information would probably help fill out the future of Kylo's story.

 

That's very interesting. I hadn't seen that because I didn't start really researching spoilers and theories for The Force Awakens until October of 2015. There's really good reason to believe that those are all valid, that they were indeed part of the movie at some point. This one piques my curiosity.

"Flashback: Interior Night at Academy – Dead bodies are on the ground. Luke turns up."

The last part "Luke turns up" could mean that he was gone while the massacre took place, which was one of my earlier "theories". That for some reason he was gone while they attacked. My theory was basically: What if a young Rey was training with Luke, she's his prized pupil or special somehow, and he senses she's in danger but doesn't know why.. so he leaves to hide her. He finds someone to leave Rey with then senses the massacre on his students. Uh-oh. So he rushes back there to try to save the rest of the students and that's how he ends up losing them. Then whoever he left Rey with loses her/has to abandon her and she ends up with Unkar Plutt. Maybe far fetched but certainly tragic. The tragic side of it is a little bit like when he has a vision in Dagobah then he leaves his training with Yoda to go to Cloud City and that doesn't turn out very well.

In any case I think if there was an attack on his Jedi students it would make the most sense if it happened while Luke was away. Otherwise many of the attackers would not have made it out alive.

Anyway, I think it's more a matter of how much backstory we will get rather than if we will. I think we'll learn more about both of their pasts. But some secrets will remain for IX.

 

With Bloodline out now, we know that Rey was dropped off on Jakku ~10 years before the massacre. Which means she was dropped off at age 5, while Ben was 15. Ben trained w/ Luke for about 10 years, and turned around the age of 24. This means Rey was 14 years old (been on Jakku for 10 years) when the massacre happened.

 

Yeah that makes sense. If Ben took part in the massacre it seems like he'd be older. However, we don't actually know that he took part in the massacre do we? Han says something like "one of his students, a boy, turned on him. Destroyed the whole thing." I think the fact that there was an actual "massacre" has been confirmed.. somewhere? But I don't think Ben's direct involvement in it has yet been confirmed? I mean he could have just betrayed them, sold them out so to speak.

 

Star Wars.com says of Kylo Ren: "Once an apprentice of Luke Skywalker's, he killed his fellow students and drove Skywalker into exile." Other official (or semi-official) sources say he "destroyed" it, or use similar wording (e.g., Visual Dictionary).

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Also, to be fair, Bloodline doesn't say anything about Rey being on Jakku (or about Rey at all). All we know is that Ben has apparently not turned yet (when Ben is 23-24), or if he has it's been fairly recent and Leia hasn't heard about it yet. We also don't know how long Ben trained with Luke. But of course we can crunch the numbers on everything else.

 

oooo... hopefully we see it in episode 8, lol don't really want to wait for episode 9 to see it.

 

Good info. (EDIT: Although I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere already.. whoops)

So unless they contradict that in a later movie, which I doubt they will do, he is indeed the Jedi Killer.

 

You can interpret it that way if you like. We'll see!

 

starwars.com is the only source that says he killed them.
"Jedi Killer" is "whispered" ~ why would anyone need to whisper if it was common proven knowledge?
or does the title refer to his job (killing Luke Skywalker).
as @Choose Light mentioned, all other sources use a word like "destroyed".
Hidalgo has confirmed that some sources out there have printed incorrect information (such as the Visual Guide that recently came out).

show. me. the. bodies.
i admit it's gotten harder and harder to hope that he didn't kill Luke's other pupils, but until it's confirmed, i think there may yet be more to this story than meets the eye.

i'm requred by law to post this in advocacy of #SaveBenSolo ~ hahaha

 

I like that custom signature, @FN-3263827!

 

hahaha ~ thanks! i just realized i could do that; now i don't have to type it on every single post!

 

It's apparent that Kylo Ren at least evolved from the "Jedi Killer" in their early concept art so I think it follows that the original idea of that character was that he would have killed Luke's students. I hope they changed their minds later. I think it's a better story if he betrayed them some other way.

 

It would make for a more compeling story that he destroyed the jedi temple just like his grandfather did.

 

i agree ~ we expect a repeat of dead younglings and whatnot. i'd like to see something else played out. still can be catastrophic, but different.
part of me hopes that Ben just dragged them into the Dark with him and maybe some of them are KOR even.

 

Of course the book doesn't talk about Rey, but we can figure these things out by using what the book does talk about. Rey got dropped off on Jakku at age 5. This is known. Ben is 10 years older than her which means he was 15 when Rey was dropped off. He is 23-24 in Bloodline, which takes place shortly before or during his turn. Since Rey is ten years younger, that means she was 13-14 when he turned, and that she had been on Jakku for 8/9 years at that time. Do you follow?

 

Yep, that's what I mean by crunch the numbers. We just don't know from the book how long Luke has been training Ben, or if there's any relationship at all between Rey and Ben or Luke, or between them and her getting dropped off on Jakku.