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World Between Worlds

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Andrew Waples, Jul 17, 2018.

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World Between Worlds in 9

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  1. dudebrohomie

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    While I would totally be on board for some 'out there' stuff in SW, I think it may be too convenient. To come up with an idea like that only to tie things together would be a bit too tidy for my tastes.

    I'd rather things get tied up organically, or just left to mystery. IE: Knights of Ren. Kylo was once one, he's now not, they aren't around as far as we know. I'm okay with that explanation.

    Maz getting Luke's laser sword? She has it. That's all I really need to know. Sure, I'd like to know, but it makes no difference really. Unless it does......

    If Lando mentions he went back to Cloud City to find the lightsaber and brought it to Maz........well? I.....I mean...... Not needed.
     
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    I think that we don't necessarily need to see this place but Luke could come back and he could explain what happened and then there could be a companion book between TLJ and IX about the place and what he did and saw
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    Interesting thought, that would be pretty interesting. TLJ did give us something new with Yoda being able to interact with the physical world. While this was far from something I thought might happen. It does seem quite plausible. I do feel there is something still about Rey that we haven't heard as well.
     
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    I don’t see them utilizing something so obscure that even dedicated fans aren’t aware of it. How would they explain it to casuals? Star Wars is meant for everyone. The world between worlds is too much of a deep cut. They haven’t used anything from Clone Wars or Rebels so far. Why would it be this?

    I’d say Ahsoka would be more likely to appear rather than the world between worlds.
     
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    They did use Maul's survival in The Clone Wars to justify his appearance in Solo and Saw Gerrera was in Rogue One. They also had the Ghost from Rebels in the final space battle in Rogue One. There definitely is a precedent for them to blend the different media, but I agree this is a bit too deep and would cause too many questions for them to include in a trilogy film.
     
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    I believe @TheDarkTight was referring to the main saga episodes not containing any reference from the Clone Wars or Rebels, so this excludes Solo and Rogue 1. I mean, they could be there as far as I can tell since I haven't seen anything of those two shows, and I do consider myself a big SW fan.

    So, I guess they could use references from those two shows in the main saga movies. People who saw those shows would know and the ones who didn't wouldn't know and therefore wouldn't mind as long as it's good. However, I agree with the ones who say that introducing such a big concept like the World Between Worlds thing, which I know very little about but sounds complex, seems a bit too much to introduce for the last movie of the Skywalker 9 movie saga. That said, I guess we could have some higher plane of existence being portrayed though, but it couldn't be too complex.
     
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    Right, obviously I know that they used Maul in Solo and have made references/used Saw in Rogue One. Those are characters and subtle, tasteful nods in non saga movies. This is an insanely huge concept with vast potential. It’s too big to ram into a movie to satisfy a bunch of cry baby cowards on YouTube. It wouldn’t be tasteful. Which is why so many dumb asses want to use it to alter Star Wars canon into what they want it to be.
     
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    I figured they were referring to the main saga, but figured I'd mention them since it does show that they have included material in the other films. The type of references in Rogue One and the big one in Solo also shows that they aren't afraid to include material that may confuse those who are familiar with the main saga but may not be up to date on the animated material (ex: casual fan thinks Maul is dead, but he comes back in Solo)

    I agree with you that including the World between Worlds is a huge concept that we really only got a small taste of in Rebels. It would make more sense for them to use other mediums (TV shows, books) to further explore this concept and potentially develop it enough that they could slowly introduce it into the films without completely overwhelming the audience. I mean George Lucas always wanted to explore the concept of the Whills further and this could be an avenue Lucasfilm could use to do that exploration.
     
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    I am totally down with the concept, for sure. It rocks. It’s just too late at this point for this trilogy.
     
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    It was definitely a cool concept that allowed Ashoka to come back, but I hope it never gets hijacked by the people who want to use it to undue parts of Star Wars they don't like. The moment they start introducing multiple timelines into the Star Wars universe is the moment things will get real ugly (good thing they will never do this).
     
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    Right. I don’t see it ever happening. This isn’t DC. We don’t need a multiverse.

    I’m a DC head, it’s my preferred comics company. This just isn’t that.

    I think all the crying will calm down and everyone will embrace The Last Jedi for the masterpiece that it is. People hated Ahsoka at first and now she’s rightfully worshipped.
     
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    The Last Jedi definitely wasn't my favorite Star Wars movie, but it has grown on me after watching it several times. I'm all for people not liking certain movies since fans have been doing that forever, but some of the backlash over The Last Jedi is just absurd. Hopefully once IX comes out and the trilogy is complete people will appreciate the three films together and the story that they tell.
     
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    This article about the World between Worlds episode on StarWars.com was interesting and definitely shows that this concept is just too complex for them to just toss it into episode IX.
     
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    Uh it's a kids show, it's not supposed to be complex and difficult to understand.
     
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    I don't believe we will visit that stuff in Ep.IX for two reasons.

    First, time travel is a terrible concept for fiction that compromises everything that has gone before and everything that comes in the future; once you stumble down the path of time travel, nothing matters anymore because anything can be later ret-conned through alternative storylines, time-loops, and butterfly-effect time changes. It just doesn't work and it undermines story at every stage.

    And secondly, because there is nothing needing a complicated space-limbo/time-travel gag to pull off in Ep.IX. This is the last installment in the series, where arcs and plots sett up in Ep.VII & developed in Ep.VIII, will climax and end in Ep.IX, and we won't get any new and revolutionary storypoint dropped into the last episode. TLJ did away with loads of characters and simplified everything for JJ/IX, and the character arcs & storylines left can be resolved without any time-/dimension-fiddling witchcraft.
     
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    Interesting. An article explaining the World Between Worlds concept a few days before IX starts shooting. I do not follow these shows but I understand this article is linked to the release of the Star Wars Rebels material in Blu-ray/DVD, so it may not have anything to do with the main saga episodes.

    However, passages like "this exemplifies the best of the Jedi philosophy", "inside the Jedi Temple portal" and "Unlike the Sith, Ezra proves that he will not try and cheat death or manipulate life", could suggest that this could be where Luke could end up dwelling in IX. Ahch-To is the location of the first Jedi Temple, and it was "the most unfindable place in the galaxy", which took some effort to hide from the Empire and the First Order. Could have Luke found access or clues to this portal there? But if he did, why didn't he used it to change the course of events? Because he was closed off from the force?

    Exactly. If the kids see this and understand it I guess some streamlined version of this could end up in IX and work after all.
     
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    I guess when I say complex I more mean that I just don't see it being worked into the plot of episode IX without slowing things down a bit. If it was introduced in VIII similar to how we saw the cave on Dagobah in episode V I think that would have been fine, but with this being the conclusion to the trilogy I just don't think it would make much sense to include it as a plot point.
     
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    Again, I think it's too obscure for casuals. Star Wars is for everyone. It would have to be done in literally the same exact fashion that it was done in Rebels and that would just be copying Rebels. It's just too much of a deep cut. If it's tasteful, I'm totally down. I just don't think it'll happen. People can hope for it all they want but, they'll probably be disappointed. Again. That's their own fault.
     
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    i think you might have answered your own question? when Luke knew he couldn't stop Ben from destroying everything except by destroying him, maybe he took himself away so as to do no harm and not have to bear witness. if he did know about the world between worlds, would he have made a different choice than Ezra?

    all that said, there is definitely a wishful thinking part of me that says yes yes YES: do it! not only because we could so easily save Ben Solo, but also because we could save Han and have our happy ending with the OT trio reunited again (i can be nostalgic too!).

    also, i'd just love to see Leia stomp Snoke's face, but that's probably just me ~ hahahahaha
     
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    I had a hard enough time explaining the Maul thing coming out of Solo.
     
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