SPOILER MakingStarWars Rumors and Speculation Thread (Part 1)

If Rey is Kylo's sister and she witnesses this tragic and emotional event, what would this do to her? If you take the rumors to heart, apparently she hasn't had a Master for quite sometime and I'd think that would leave her vulnerable to the dark side and she may not be able to keep her emotions in check like a more trained apprentice might be able to do. This event could lead her down that path and if Luke can keep her from crossing that line it ( the dark side ) would always be there to pull her over. Even if they aren't siblings just seeing her father killed by an enemy would bring this hatred to the surface.

 

Ok look time and again Kylo Ren is mentioned being accompanied by stormtroopers. If he is supposed to start the film as a "rebel pilot" and son of Han and Leia how does he gain command of Stormtroopers so quickly?

I know I make people upset when I speak out against Kylo Ren Solo but I just can't find an argument that makes any sense to me

 

I don't know if it's been time and again. There's been some speculation but to play Devils advocate I would say he would do it the same way that Palpatine lived two sides. Good guy politician by day, sith Lord at night.

 

Just going to play Mr. Skeptical here for one second.

Now...films of this size are often filmed out of sequence. The call sheets supposedly tell that no other scenes were filmed with Han Solo after the one in discussion. Just because that scene was the last one Harrison Ford filmed doesn't mean a scene filmed earlier doesn't take placed after said "death scene". Just keep that in mind, folks. We may yet still be surprised.

That being said, this sounds highly likely. I figured if any of the big 3 died it would be Han. I heard otherwise that none would die, but oh well.

 

Try this scenario out:

Child/Baby of Han and Leia presumed to be long dead in a tragic event/accident that separated him from his parents. That's where the cyborg concept may have had its genesis, an accident that disfigured him. He's raised by someone else. And 10 years or so after he's born, Rey is born because it was hard for Han and Leia to get past the "death" of their child. They are incredibly overprotective of her as a result.

Somebody else put some of this idea into my head back in 2013 on some other board I once came across.

Here's some quotes from Driver:
http://thecantina.starwars7news.com/index.php?threads/reys-hide-out.1751/page-2#post-13851

 

He could be a rebel pilot sleeper agent for the Empire. Not sleeper exactly but , waiting for his move. Like, he grew up around weird aliens and rebels and secretly hates them all and has been working as a spy from the inside. Angsty, spoiled brat type who gets in over his head and doubles down.

 

The ONLY time I've heard of him being a "rebel pilot" is when we saw the blurry photo of "him" on the Greenham Common set. And if that was Adam Driver then I don't think they would've revealed his character's name if they were wanting to keep his identity a secret.

 

Unless Kylo Ren is an alias. We dunno

 

Here's my new speculation about where they might go with this: Knowing how strong Luke is now, Darth Plagueis will not want to go up against him one on one. However, Rey, being a Skywalker herself through Leia, has the potential to defeat Luke. Plagueis will therefore want to tempt her to the dark side, and he'll do this by promising her that he'll use his powers over life and death to reunite her with her father.

 

It will certainly be a sad Christmas present to the fans. We've discussed how Ford wanted Solo's death in the past. Hmmm ... I wonder if he made this a pre-requisite before signing on or that was the original idea and this influenced his decision to do the film.

 

To entertain the rebel pilot notion:

Another scenario is that the "rebel pilot" moonlights as an evil doer. Either intentionally or maybe it's a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde type of situation that he cannot control.

Personally, I'm down on the whole "rebel pilot" thing. We've got Oscar Isaac for that and two other young characters that also might join in at some point. It's just overkill.

 

I like the idea of showing us two rebel pilot friends go two different directions.

 

Cool, if it is real, then it will be extremely emotional. If Kylo Ren is Han's son, then maybe we will see a short, emotional exchange between father and son. But something snaps within Kylo and he strikes his father down. Seeing a dying Han pushes Kylo over the edge, and his transition to the Dark Side of the Force truly begins. :'(

Set this scene to this music:

 

It doesn't say that he's accompanied by stormtroopers, it just says that stormtroopers were present at the Evil Castle. For all we know, they could have been there for a completely different reason, and it's just bad luck that Rey, Finn, Han, Kylo, and the troopers reached the castle at the same time.

 

A few thoughts....

1. I tend to believe this is a legitimate rumor. Jason nailed the teaser trailer and he states this comes from his most trusted source which I suspect is the same source who gave him the trailer info.

2. I'm not surprised by this. I think all of us at some point thought that there was a strong possibility Han was going to die. Harrison Ford wanted this to happen in the OT and he is not getting any younger. Now as we transition from the old cast to the new it is a logical time to do it.

3. This rumor tells us nothing of how he dies. It only tells us who does it and who is present at the time. I'm sure this will end up being a fitting send off for Han. JJ seems to be a true Star Wars fan and I don't see him messing this up. Besides, I can't imagine Harrison Ford not having a lot of input on how this scene goes down.

4. It will be interesting to see at what point in the movie this scene takes place. I suspect it will be in the middle to the end. I hope it is not the very end because I think a lot can be done emotionally with the other characters as they deal with the death. A lot of character depth can be developed there.

5. The rumor does not indicate any family relationships among the characters. I would say most of us believe Rey is Han's daughter. If that is so, this will be the event that moves her character forward through the Trilogy. My guess this is the event that motivates her to become a Jedi and start/continue her training under Luke. It also allows Luke to become the wise mentor who will preach the importance of letting go of anger and fear.

6. As much as we hate to lose Han I think it will make the movie better. I do wonder what happens with Chewy as the ST moves forward.

 

agree, not only his most trusted sources but a friend. I think it's 100% real.

I think ford probably had some thoughts about this when JJ came on and i wouldn't be surprised if he was the spearhead for it to happen. Plus i agree, with the age comment, its completely appropriate to use his character death as a transition into Rey becoming the new jedi hero

I think JJ will harken back to obi-wan/vader scene in ANH, not straight away, yet enough time to transition focus to Rey and Finn

This is why i don't think Ren has any relation to a solo, if Ren and Rey are solo's then it becomes a story of revenge. This has not been a focus that any rumour has shown and by all accounts Rey and Finn are kind of like "co-lukes"

100% agree. I wonder if Chewy goes full rambo as the series progresses or in a more heartbreaking way, he chucks it all in and goes to live in seclusion on a forest world.

 

This makes more sense than him having to have luke kill him to save someone or w/e the Blast ward was spewing last night

 

Yep. Jason Ward seems like a bit of a jerk. Regularly gets mad at people who disagree with him. Didn't he snap at Kyle once too?

Oh man..... whoa. .

Holy blast. ... if Han is dead his life debt is fulfilled. ...

It's like Genie at the end of Aladin. Genie you're free. .....

 

Not to be Mr. negative, I hope he keeps speculation based on the documentation to a total minimum going forward. Mixing whatever his buddy / emailers tell him with it could inadvertently add up to a distortions.

 

And he spread tgat bantha poodoo about luke going dark which we all knew was bantha poodoo for me that was when I officially blacklisted him as a reliable source