SPECULATION OFFICIAL Rey Discussion Thread

The old eu, particularly the post ROTJ eu, was an unorganized mess lacking central direction or any form of underlying objective. Only shadows of the empire was great in expanding the stories portrayed in the films. The rest quickly became a sort of new age prequel-like reiteration.

 

Daisy is like that because she has a whiff of "naïvity" about her .

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He had to be aware of the old EU for LFL to say that they COULD (and probably would) take elements from it at will .

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Funny how GL greenliy all of them and it's funny how he has a dedicated room for every single SW video game that has ever been made in the main house of LFL but not a SINGLE display of SW Books in the library but had an entire research section for Marijuana which I STILL acid funny to this day and I even checked out when of those books out of curiosity .

 

I agree BrotherRoy and at the end of the day he is fan that works for Lucasfilm and I don't think he has answers for some of things he answers so much as he is offering let's say slightly more informed opinions than the average fan. The same way we as fans offer opinions here which means it comes along with the limitation of whatever inherit bias he has about said things as a fan not as an insider with insider information. Example: His response to Finn hearing voices and looking up at the sky when StarKiller fired was. " I thought that was the people outside of Maz's castle" That was not an expression of certainty but speculation on his part as what was displayed on screen clearly contradicted that particular speculation. He works for them so he knows more than most of us, but I don't think his opinions expressed on twitter are canon or infallible.

 

IGN - J.J. ABRAMS UNHAPPY ABOUT LACK OF REY IN STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS MERCHANDISE

http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/01/0...ey-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens-merchandise

I think it's mainly a Hasbro problem. The other merchandisers have done a good job.

 

I assumed that he heard some of the other cantina patrons reacting to seeing it, and knew what it was when he saw the beams.

 

When you pay attention to the sequence of events, locations of everyone involved and the timing at which he heard the voices, it's impossible that it's the people at Maz's place.

I agree.

 

Here we go again with the bs derailing

 

New Rey Origin Theory

Snoke is building a large Force sensitive clone army. The DNA used for this new clone army comes from the original organic right hand of Luke Skywalker, retrieved from Cloud City, Bespin. This means Snoke is creating an army of genetically engineered Dark Side Luke clones!

One of the Force sensitive clones, an accidentally engineered female clone, was rejected by sexist cloners and was destined to be destroyed. The young female clone of Luke Skywalker is rescued by someone sympathetic and taken to the safety of a distant sand planet by the "someone" and is left there to live and fend for herself.

Over the years, she survives by salvaging and restoring machine parts to trade for food portions. The clone, now a young woman, lives inside a fallen AT-AT walker. She has no name, so she assumes one inspired by the previous owner of an X-wing pilot's helmet which she has found and become fond of. The pilots name was 'Captain Dosmit Raeh'.

 

You're the only one who seems to ever really have a problem with it.

 

I've had a cloning theory about Rey for a while now, too .

 

Does it involve "sexist cloners"?

 

It involves Luke getting himself an unaltered clone that's been genetically modified to be a woman for some reason and she is his contingency plan if things go to hell .

 

Could be a catalyst for Rey going to the darkside if she found out that shes just a contingency plan.

 

Rey takes so natural to the force I want her to become more than just a Jedi. I want her to transcend it. It be cool if not only training with Luke but other force religions if they are still out there. Becoming something new.

 

If there are other darkside force users rather than the sith (like the knights of ren).

Then I'm sure there are other lightside force users rather than the jedi.

 

As in she has no "real parents" and her life's a lie and her existence shouldn't even be there and she just...LOSES IT.

 

I saw the film again yesterday and as with each different time I see it, I notice new things that bring up new questions. (Sorry if this has already been brought up).

I noticed in Rey's vision that before we see the Knights of Ren in all their glory, it looks as if someone is going to strike Rey while she's on the floor but before he has the chance to do so Kylos lightsaber stabs him through his chest. So I have two questions really:

1) Who is this dude that's going to strike Rey?
2) Why does Kylo stop him from doing it?

Cheers!

 

I was watching Collider Mail Bag and Kristian brought up an idea that I rather like.

What if Rey's memories are false? What if this is the big "I am your father" plot twist? What if she was a Knight of Ren and the Jedi massacre happened much later than we think?

Of course that creates issues. Kylo doesn't seem to know her face. The First Order as we know it probably needed more than a few years to get started, and the logistics of it. Also, would Disney make Rey a past killer?

But the idea that maybe she has some connection with the Knights of Ren and her memory is actually the result of a unreliable narrator is sound. And It's not like the FO wasn't around. Leia called Snoke by name, and Finn, a grown man, was taken as a baby.


My guess is that she was probably the child of one of the Knights of Ren, separated from her Mother(?) who gets killed in the battle that gave Snoke his scar and Ben's betrayal. Luke probably killed her parent(s) and left her with a false memory to prevent her from living with a grudge of sorts, or maybe Kylo hid her as one last favor to his comrade. I prefer the previous one but may not fit Luke's character.

Either way I think it makes a lot more narrative sense for her origins to be sullied on account of how flawless she seems to be at the moment. If her origin isn't the straight forward "good parents store her away like Baby Moses" and is more along the lines of a product of a twisted upbringing given a second chance by a merciful benefactor, that would improve her character a lot. And if the "evil" parent isn't alive anymore it will be an interesting twist on how Luke was about his father in the first film without having to repeat the same OT beats in this trilogy.

Plus it echoes the Revan story in KotOR.

This I think is a better explanation for her abilities than the 5 year old padawan learner that's spared for reasons and is left in the care of the worst man on Jakku for, again, reasons. Plus it will explain the situation better if her memory was an implant. I mean, if her mind was wiped why did the wiper leave a memory of her vague faceless family?

No, that sounds more like a convenient Men in Black cover story designed to keep her butt grounded.

Just imagine the drama if Luke indeed put her on Jakku, implanted the story, and left her there so she wouldn't pursue a path of vengeance against him after he drops her KoR parent right in front of her. It makes way more sense to leave her in a regrettable state if he does this not out of grief or remorse but because he wouldn't cross the line of getting rid of an enemy's force sensitive child who has reason to hate him.

But that would be far too unique and interesting for people that rather her be Luke daughter and repeat the same old tired beats from the OT and PT.

 

Before The Force Awakens was released the popular theory was that Rey and Kylo were going to be brother and sister. Since the films release new theories have arisen that Rey could be a Kenobi due to Obi-Wan’s voice being heard in her ‘Force Back’. Other theories have been that she could be Luke’s daughter or that she is simply just the daughter of a family that we know nothing about. I’ve also read theories she could be another immaculate Force conception like Anakin or that she is some relation of Sheev Palpatine.

I am a strong believer in Rey being the daughter of Leia and Han still (I hope I’m not the only one). After seeing the film again yesterday I just can’t shake the idea that Rey is a Solo. First off I don’t think that Rey is her true name, I think we will find out that she has a different name once more about her past is revealed. If hidden away for her protection, then obviously her name would have to be changed. I believe that Rey is younger than Kylo, I certainly don’t believe they will be twins.

One theory I had is based on a conversation between Han and Leia. When Han is leaving for Starkiller Base, Leia tells him how she had always hated watching him leave, which gave me the impression that Han may not have been around before they split up a lot of the time. He also tells her in a different scene that he went back to what he was good at after they split up; again giving hints that he didn’t stick around with the Rebellion/Resistance after they split. What if Han and Leia had Kylo, and when he was of an appropriate age they sent him off to train with Luke and the new Jedi. When the inevitable happened and Ben destroyed the new Jedi, what if Leia discovered she was once again pregnant. Scared and preoccupied by what Ben had done, Leia could have kept it a secret and never told Han and Han then left, never knowing that Leia was pregnant again thus never knowing he had a daughter. Like at the end of Revenge of the Sith Yoda, Obi-Wan and Bail Organa sit down and say to protect Luke and Leia they must be separated and hidden from the Emperor and I feel like it’s similar with Rey. To protect Rey from Kylo and Snoke and losing another child to ‘Snoke’ what if Leia (possibly with the help of Luke) hid Rey on Jakku?

When Finn arrives at the Resistance Base he tells Leia he needs help rescuing Rey (I don’t think he refers to her by name) and Leia responds with ‘Han told me about the girl’. However on their return from Starkiller Base when Leia see’s Rey, I feel like there is a HUGE connection there. Leia ignores EVERYONE else, including the protector and best friend of her late husband Han Solo and focuses solely on Rey. I felt like in that moment, she thought ‘Oh it’s THAT girl’. I felt like that hug was more than a hug between two strangers that had never met before. That was one of the most powerful moments of the whole film for me personally.

Another thing I picked up on was the conversation with Maz after her ‘Force Back’. Maz tells Rey that the family she is waiting for aren’t going to come back for her and that things lie ahead of her (something along those lines, I can’t remember the full conversation). I feel like Maz was explaining to Rey that her family aren’t going to come back from her, simply because Rey is going to find them first. She meets Leia first and then Luke at the end of the film. I think given JJ’s history of deception from trailers and character cover ups, I think a lot of the film is down interpretation and I think this is one conversation that may have been misinterpreted.

Another of my favourite scenes is the interrogation scene between Kylo and Rey. The first time I saw the film, I was far too excited to think about anything too in depth and I purely focused on what was on the screen. The second time I saw the film I tried to think about all the theories and thoughts I’d read on the Cantina. Yesterday, the third time, when the interrogation scene came on the screen, I thought that the scene would be so much more intense and so much more powerful if this was brother and sister we were seeing on screen rather than two strangers. It reminded me of seeing two siblings teasing each other and fighting with one another but 100 times more emotive. (Going off the subject a little, when Kylo tells her ‘You know I can take what I want’ he REALLY reminded me of Anakin at this stage, I thought that was brilliant).

So after the interrogation the next interaction between Rey and Kylo is the amazing lightsaber duel between the pair of them. Again this could just be me thinking this, but that whole scene would be so much more important and mean so much more if it is revealed that in actual fact Rey and Ben are brother and sister, again rather than two random strangers duelling.

Now I do have to admit I have been a bit of a fan of the EU for a number of years, so when it came out that Kylo was actually called Ben, I struggled not to leap out of my seat. So I don’t know if I am still clinging on to the EU a little bit too much and hoping for Ben and Rey to be siblings.

I am not trying to knock anyone’s theories, thoughts or ideas AT ALL. Nor am I saying THIS WILL HAPPEN. I absolutely love coming on the Cantina and reading all the different and interesting posts. I just was hoping that I would find other supporters of my theory, as it’s always nice to know you’re not alone haha!

I find the Obi-Wan Kenobi theories quite difficult to get my head round. The Jedi Code forbade Jedi from forming attachments such as marriage and other romantic bonds. Obi-Wan was extremely loyal to the Jedi Order and very disciplined. He’s pretty strict with Anakin when it came to procedures and rules and regulations. I would find it very difficult to accept that Obi-Wan went against all he stood for and taught to his Padawan and became a father after becoming romantically involved with someone. This would then lead on to a whole new backstory about Reys parents, her mother in particular, seen as though we know nothing about her. Kathleen Kennedy specifically said before The Force Awakens that the core films will focus on the Skywalker family saga.

My opinion on Rey being Luke’s daughter also mirrors that of what I have written about Obi-Wan being her father. Luke wanted to be a Jedi more than anything in the original trilogy as we all know. He was taught by Yoda and Obi-Wan, again both who gave Anakin talks on attachment. Yoda tells Anakin ‘…Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed, that is’. I would have thought that these words of wisdom would also have been passed on to Luke whilst they were training him. I just don’t think we saw it on screen. Han tells Rey and Finn that Luke felt responsible for the destruction of the new Jedi and went looking for the first Jedi temple. If the conception of Rey happened after the destruction of the new Jedi, I find it difficult to accept that romance and reproduction was on Lukes mind. Luke proudly tells Sidious at the end of Return of the Jedi ‘I am a Jedi, like my father before me’ and I believe Luke will have undertaken his role both very seriously and be very disciplined. He would also need to be very focused and driven to start a new Jedi order and I think this will have been Lukes main priority after Return of the Jedi, not starting a family. Also unless Reys mother is deceased or Luke knows exactly where she is, I feel like it could turn Episode 8 or 9 into another ‘search’ type of film and we have already had the search for Luke in TFA.

So that’s where I am going to leave it. I feel like I have waffled on quite enough. So in brief I think:

Rey is Han and Leia’s daughter; Han doesn’t know he had a daughter. She was hidden for her protection from Snoke and Kylo by Leia (and possibly Luke). She isn’t Lukes, she isn’t Obi-Wans and she certainly isn’t a reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker, nor is she the Granddaughter of Sheev Palpatine.

I will await the backlash of negative comments now……don’t be too brutal.