SPECULATION OFFICIAL Rey Discussion Thread

New to this forum, Been reading quite a bit before signing up, but please understand lol, my NOOB-ness to SWNN is not related to how much of a SW Fanboy I am. Would love to know all of your thoughts:
Been reading quite a bit from the "Rey Thread" and "Snoke Thread" and I have to say this: I think it would be very prudent for everyone to keep in mind, Lucas was running an in-depth story, while Disney is running a business with SW; a deep-mythology based one or not, still a business. And we, the hardcore fans, represent easily less than 5% of the market they're trying to capture (or re-capture) with this "essential re-hash" of the Star Wars cultural fire. All these theories, while I absolutely LOVE reading them, and could for DAYZZ, don't line up with the fact that the general public's view of Star Wars became very convoluted during and post-Prequel Trilogy. I think having all these deep-twisting, long-exposition explanations about Rey and Snoke would be too much for the average move fan to keep up with and remain entertained by. We'll get all the hardcore content we want I'm sure with the non-film canonical material, but I think the films will attempt to be as uncomplicated as possible, while still remaining entertaining to the fanboys/girls. Snoke is new, (they want to distance from the prequels as much as possible, because of the general disdain, and because of the attempt to go forward instead of backward in terms of references (as Bob Iger as repeatedly stated)), and Rey is Luke's Daughter. It's a Skywalker Story. Plain and Simple. Any other explanation would require too much exposition to wrap up all the story lines they've already started in TFA with the 4.5-5 hours remaining in Chapter-Film Screen time. Again, I love all the theories, but let's get real, They want to capture new audiences to milk this IP for as much revenue as possible that they just spent over $4 Billion on, and to do so, the best way is keep it simple, yet within the confines of the fantastical/sci-fi world of Star Wars, with the same Family-Drama and Morality themes all 7 films have maintained. Just had to put this out there -

THOUGHTS?

 

You are absolutely right.

 

I read the last 10 pages, and I think the most difficult part in any Rey's theory is why she was left alone in Jakku. I think that Rey's parents was supposed to be revealed by the end on TFA. I read somewhere that the original cut had more than 2h40min. I believe that in the process of shrinking it some one noticed that Rey's parentage could be left dubious if certain dialogues/scenes were suppressed. But a lot of clues were left: Luke's light saber calling for her. Han seems to know who she is, as he tells Maz Kanata (dialog not shown). Kylo is not surprised by a girl being so strong in the Force ("So this is the girl I have been hearing about"). Leia's hug by the end in their first encounter.

Particularly, I'm for the theory that Luke is the father. The hard part is to explain why he left her alone on Jakku. A possibility that came to me is the following:

Luke have a child that is more powerful than Kylo (Ben), who start to become jealous about that. Snoke convinces Ben to go to the Dark side, where he can be as powerful as Darth Vader and destroy Luke's academy (and Luke him self).

In Kylo's attack to the Jedi Academy, Rey's mother take her daughter, leave and is persecuted by Kylo (to kill any Skywalker offspring). In an attempt to protect her daughter she hides her on Jakku (maybe she knew Unkar Plutt, made a deal but never came back), but before have any chance to tell Luke she is murdered by Kylo. Luke senses his wife is dead, but not his daughter, but has no way to find her. He decides to go to exile and look for the 1st Jedi Temple to improve his own training, believing that The Force will bring back his daughter in the same way it happened to him. Than he can train her properly, and maybe she can redeem Kylo.

It would also comprise what Maz Kanata tell her, that the family she is waiting will never come back, but there's one she can go after. And Rey answer: Luke. The trauma of being abandoned maybe suppressed her memory (she doesn't know the reasons), and she run away, fearing be rejected again. In this point I believe she might have had some training when she was a child,

After all, this is a business, and nothing better than the press and fans discussing for a year and a half about who's Rey's parentage. And they can twist it around if needed.

 

The general consensus based on answers from Pablo Hidalgo is that Rey was left on Jakku a few years before Kylo's betrayal of Luke Skywalker.

 

I was just wondering how it would be if this were ANH but released this year (with all the social media and stuff we have) what would be the speculations we would do. We would not know Anakin and Vader are the same person, thus Luke is Vader's son and not even wonder about Leia being Luke's sister. Maybe the nature of our speculations would be different - who would be Leia's romantic interest, if Luke or Han lol.

Anyway, I reckon the movie gives away certain clues, whereas the script and the book give out another ones. Rey could be Luke's daughter, could be Han and Leia's, or not related at all. I'm just waiting for the twist plot to come in Episode VIII. As Snoke said: "We shall see. We shall see."

 

MSW speculated that the scene with Kylo and the bodies in the rain was actually the Knights of Ren slaughtering Rey's village.

As for the guy with the hat, my thought was that he was a different Constable and was killed when Rey's village was attacked by Kylo. The issue becomes the timeline. I have a hard time seeing Kylo having that mask at 15 and destroying a village when Rey was 5.

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We would be talking about who ends up with Leia, Han or Luke! Team Han and Team Luke!

 

Yes! I came to a similar theory over the weekend. You can read my whole post here: http://4545creative.com/star-wars-force-awakens-theory-spoilers/

I was trying to make a point that I thought Kylo knew Rey from his days with Luke. Ben, like many children living in the shadow of famous parents, had a tumultuous childhood. Han and Leia were worried about his path and thought uncle Luke could help him right the ship. So when Ben is about 8 years old, he is sent to train as a Jedi, but by sending Ben to train with Luke, Han and Leia only fueled his darkside. It’s like how sometimes children are sent off to reform school because their parents are worried and don’t know how to deal with them, but the child feels only more rejected and abandoned.

So now Luke is Ben’s parental figure. Luke shows him about the Force and the two work together to develop Ben’s gifts. But after a few years into his training, Luke has a child of his own, Rey. Ben becomes withdrawn and looks for someone else to act as his surrogate parent. He finds this in Darth Vader and begins to secretly learn about his family legacy and delve into the Darkside. And as Rey gets older, she begins to show signs of the Force, maybe at a very young age. Is she really powerful? Maybe more so than anyone we have seen in the movies? Does that explain how she seemingly does things like pilot the Falcon and use Jedi mind tricks fairly quickly and with ease? Are her gifts the final straw that breaks Ben Solo and drives him to the Darkside? Does Ben see Rey is going to be more powerful than him and knows that he really can’t do anything about it other than destroy her chance of learning the Force?

I think Kylo Ren turned on Luke and Rey when she was about 4 or 5 years old. He killed all the padawans, burned down the Jedi Temple and killed Rey’s mother. Maybe Luke thought he needed to stash Rey away and regroup when she was older. Maybe he just thought the Galaxy didn’t need the Skywalkers interfering any longer since the cycle just started over again. Maybe Kylo Ren turned on them when Luke was not there and someone got Rey out and Luke doesn’t even know she is alive?

 

I'd be filling my social media accounts with #TeamHan mentions lol. Luke is not really my type (too whiny lol).

Sometimes I feel like they (LFL) haven't even set up their minds on who is Rey.

 

Well they know. They are just building in some extra suspense in the reveal to create a "I am your father" moment in the next two episodes. How else can they create two more story arcs. And Arndt and Abrams already said they knew exactly where the story was going because they had already written it down.

 

Again we have the dubious answers. There will be no right answer until Episode VIII. All we can do is speculate. And I can see that whatever the final answer is, people will come back to the threads to say that "they were right".

But discuss all those "loose ends" is much more fun than have all the answers now.

 

I guess you might be right

 

Today I just convinced myself that Rey is a Solo. The one person who we keep forgetting about is Leia. I get the feeling the hug was more than just Leia meeting "the girl" Han told her about and was fond of. It makes sense too. Leia was pregnant right about the time Ben was being seduced by Snoke and she sent him away to Luke. Han left her after they lost their son to Snoke. Leia never told Han she was pregnant and to protect her child after the slaughter of Luke's Jedi, she was hidden on Jakku. That's why in the audio book you hear a female voice promising to come back for her. It was Leia. I think Rey may even remember her which is why they embraced for so long. Not sure. Leia may have even orchestrated the thefts of the Falcon and made a deal with Unkar Plutt to keep the ship powered down so it couldn't be tracked.
Keep in mind Lor San Tekka was a family friend and was close by, he probably reported back to Leia about Rey.

Remember, Leia was strong, unemotional, and very smart. She's the only one that could pull this off.

 

I think the movie was pretty clear that Kylo was aware of a girl as he was passionate in his responses to her. Is it possible they are only connected through the force. She saw a vision of Kylo when she touched the saber, maybe he has been haunted with similar visions of her?

Just throwing that out there

 

Good idea, but is the 'family' connection they are going for. Kennedy kept stressing it in all the press tours. "What was the new trilogy about?" this that 'family' this that Skywalker lineage. If they are both decendents of Skywalker they are connected to the force in any case.

edit: I hope Rey goes dark.

 

Good point about the family connection. They have stressed that haven't they?

 

No, Lucas was running a business to. For DECADES!! And more power to him, he's really good at it. But he wasn't some auteur who was in it purely for the art.

 

While he may or may not know her name, he SHOULD know of her existence. If not, that's a major letdown, storywise...PABLO, oh holy master and guardian of the STORY (this guy is starting to get under my skin.) While he hasn't written the stories for 7 & 8, he defends them/is defensive over them as if he did.