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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  2. No

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  1. Lia

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    JJ about Luke/Rey scene in TFA: "And her face here, this moment, where she’s reaching out to him and finds a strenght and a determination. And Luke, who looks at her, just knowing what it means to accept this plea to come back and help. And we leave them here until Episode VIII." [X]

    The script say that Luke didn't need to ask her who she is or what she is doing here. But it don't mean that he knows "she is Rey/my baby gurl etc" but what she represents: he needs to go back.
     
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  2. master_shaitan

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    I'm sorry, Luke's confrontation with Vader before TESB? What utter BS is this?
     
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    Luke and Vader have their first Lightsaber fight and confrontation in the canon in Marvel Star Wars #2 (StarWars.com preview). It takes place after Episode IV and before V. Some time after that, he finds out from Boba Fett that Luke is a Skywalker and pieces it together that Luke is his son before V. This is all described in the new Scholastic Darth Vader biography.
     
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    Well if you read Magnar's post, then it's clear where it comes from. Apparently it's a canon story now...although I've not heard it...

    Taken at face-value, that line, if included in the final film and in context, definitely lessens the chance of ReySky. He may not know about her at all...but it seems strange that neither of them would sense something meeting if she's family...could be a Rian red-herring and he discovers who she is at films end, but it looks less likely now.

    I'm going with Magnar then, Rey solo! Bloodline be damned!! :D:p
     
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    That's ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Worse than Maul returning and facing Kenobi. Horrendous.

    Anyway, yeah the "who are you" line suggests significance but it also means Luke can't have ever known her.
    Again, what would your Rey Solo backstory be?

    Try and come up with an viable Rey Solo backstory...
     
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    We've been over this, Rey was either taken from Leia away at birth or as a little child and then presumed dead from the Solos.
     
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    There will be a shocking revelation on Rey in Episode 8, just like "I am your father" in Episode 5, she's not a Skywalker, not the daughter of Luke or Leia, that would be too obvious. I think the revelation will be something like this theory:
     
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    Why wouldn't Luke know who she is?
    Why no mention in Bloodline?
    Why don't Han and Leia discuss this as the likely reason for why Ben went off the rails?
    Why didn't Leia sense who Rey was?
    Why would she be presumed dead when both Leia and maybe even Luke would sense she isn't?
     
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    Because they cut it out of TFA.

    Abrams has stated as much - that they bumped some things to EP8 to only have one family reveal, Kylo's, in TFA.

    It makes sense in terms of why Han takes to her, Leia goes straight to her and sends her to get Luke (something that one of the editors mentioned awhile back - that they biffed it having her hug her and not Chewie), why Leia has the "mother ring" with two stones that Pablo won't comment on...

    It seems that this was determined and some things shot and then edited out of the film, not to mention Kylo in the novelization "It is you!"...

    I actually think han and Leia DID talk about her, and it was reshot with that crappy "no, it was Snoke...he seduced our son to the darkside" scene...which was super awkward and made no sense...so they knew of Snoke? Knew he was after Ben? But couldn't stop it?? That scene always felt spliced in to me...

    We shall see...
     
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    This isn't very convincing.
    This has already been explained. This refers to the "Awakening in the force."
    Hindsight is 20/20. They found out about Snoke after the fact. This makes perfect sense.
     
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    1.) neither is "we'll blow it up...there's always a way to do that!" but they did that in TFA too...

    Magnar can post it for you...JJ is QUOTED saying that they bumped Rey's family reveal to 8 for Rian. That they wanted to stick to just Kylo's this time around. Argue with JJ if you want...

    2.) that isn't very convincing - sounds like cover for a revealing line in the novel that now has to wait until the next film.

    3.) in your opinion sir. That scene comes off as forced and unbelievable- which is why I think it was added in...and makes them complete fools not to have done anything about Snoke if they knew of him or its poor movie structure for them to act like they know all about him but not mention him anywhere else in the film...again, lending credence to the idea that this scene was reshot.

    The more I ponder it, it seems they butchered the Rey Solo story (or outright changed it mid-way through) in TFA...
     
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    *throws up*
     
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    Ok people.
    No one recognizes Rey.
    She says "I'm no one".
    Thus... She's Arya Starkwalker.
     
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    Hey sounds great !

    You know that some videogames have better stories ?
     
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    Star Wars comics is... ok. Sometimes they make crazy things like "Han has a wife!! We're kidding, they weren't married!" or showing Luke using a stormtrooper helmet for no reason, or
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    I don't like the drawings ...

    It doesn't feel Star Wars to me.
     
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    I totally agree with you... Maybe I am getting my books mixed up, but wasn't Bloodline also the one where Leia has a whole plot line where she refuses to cover certain aspects of her past with some "reporter" or such who is chronicling her life? It is almost as though Claudia Grey was writing in-universe about the fact that there was a particular time in Leia's life that she was not allowed to write about... THAT would be the most obvious argument to me why a prior lost child would be excluded from the book.

    Have you not been paying attention to ALL new canon sources?!? :eek: For shame! I thought better of you...

    I haven't read all of this stuff either, but I have perused the reviews and threads about them within the Cantina so as to know what all is being added to the lore. In all candor, I kind of rolled my eyes at the idea that Luke and Vader met face-to-face between IV and V, but having read all of the reviews of the Vader comics, they actually look like they were pretty good overall... particularly Vader's use of Boba Fett to figure out who the kid that blew up the Death Star was, Palpatine constantly testing, teasing, and trying to replace Vader (gives a bit more depth as to why Vader is interested in overthrowing Palpatine) and so on. At the end of the day, there is almost always going to be certain plot lines added that not everyone is happy with, but for the most part it seems to me that they are doing a very good job overall... FWIW.

    I personally don't see any problem with Luke saying "Who are you?" to Rey, in part because he largely took himself out of the day-to-day galactic affairs... and it still does not foreclose any possibilities for me.

    Accordingly, this is still true around these parts:
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    (I saw someone else use it a few pages back, but I thought it was solely my job to post that gif from time to time! Dammit! :mad: :D)
     
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    there are a few ways Luke's line could work:

    Luke could be saying, "hoo are you?" in which case the Force tree story is definitely confirmed as we all know that the little owl creatures (convorees?) that live on Ahch-To say, "hoo," and live in Force trees.

    Luke could be testing Rey, in which case he's likely not related to her. as others have said, it would be a super crummy way to welcome your long lost, potentially presumed dead, daughter/niece.

    Luke could be crazy, in which case this line is pretty throw away.

    Luke might be cut off from the Force on Ahch-To, therefore unable to tell what's been going on in the galaxy as a whole. maybe he never felt a disturbance in the Force when it awakened in Rey; maybe he didn't even notice the destruction Starkiller caused. if this is the case he could be asking a very honest question.

    this might sound crazy, but maybe, just maybe, Luke really doesn't know who Rey is!
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 8, 2017, Original Post Date: Mar 8, 2017 ---
    also, i'm with @Dark Toilet on the Luke and Vader meet up. at first i thought it was pretty silly, but overall it works when you think about it. the way they put the story together shows how Vader was slowly piecing the puzzle together. during that moment that Magnar showed, Vader actually gets his hands on the lightsaber and has a moment where he says something like, "what the f?? this is mine!" that part i thought was the hardest to digest, especially since i didn't see how Luke got it back from him. you'd think once Vader disarmed the boy that would be the end of the story, but ho hum... :rolleyes:
     
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    Now r2d2 stolen a ship and goes to rescue C3PO
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    Yeah, eff that - I don't like all the new comic/novel stuff changing the films.

    It's totally fine to have secondary stories and small things that flesh out the big ideas, but ever since Clone Wars un-killed Maul, I have had a problem with it...mostly because it makes the films weaker - he is never mentioned again in ROTS or otherwise, and now we have this fool being around just a short time before ANH.

    (Rant over)
     
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