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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  2. No

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  1. master_shaitan

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    There seem to be a lot of threads about Rey or Luke that lead into the issue of whether the Jedi Master is in fact Rey's father. I think it is worth having a thread that weighs up all the evidence for and against to see which is the stronger view. I'm not going to provide the counter argument to each point within the list. I will leave that to the debate to come in the thread. I'm just going to list the for and against points. If anyone has more they'd like to add to the lists or change maybe pm me and I will do it (to keep it all in one place) and credit your point/alteration. I posted this in the VIII Forum as we're likely to find out in this movie about Rey's origins. Thanks, MS.

    Anyway, the evidence for:

    1. Kathleen Kennedy expressed how the ST will be a continuation of the Skywalker saga:

    "The Saga films focus on the Skywalker family saga. The stories follow a linear narrative that connects to the previous six films," she said. "The Force Awakens follows Return of the Jedi and continues that generational story."

    Now this could just refer to Kylo, but it is perhaps evidence more pointing towards the main protagonist, who is Rey, being a Skywalker.

    2. Rey is very powerful and she becomes powerful with the Force very quickly. This indicates a strong connection to the Force which is something common within the Skywalker family: "I have it, my father has it, my sister has it....you have that power too".

    3. Rey has visions or memories of Ahch-To, her entire story so far is about waiting for her parents and finding Luke - indicating a special link with Luke.

    4. Her character is very much 'Skywalker' in nature. Anakin and Luke grew up on desert planets, as "a nobody" destined to be "a somebody". Rey's origins are very similar. They're all good mechanics and pilots. They all wear similar clothing. They all wish for a better life. They're all destined to become Jedi. Luke left Tatooine on the Falcon with Han (who later offers him a job). Exactly the same happens with Rey. Their backgrounds are the same.

    5. Luke's lightsaber calls to Rey. She hears Luke and Luke's mentors. Is this just because she is the next Jedi or because she has a connection with Luke already?

    6. Artoo wakes up only when Rey is nearby. Do we buy the idea that Artoo was woken up by BB8? JJ said BB8 speaks to Artoo and then Artoo comes to life. But on screen, BB8 speaks to Artoo and Artoo stays in low power mode. Only later does Artoo switch back on, independently - just as Rey arrives on the planet. Does this indicate something else?

    7. The Excalibur moment of Rey pulling the saber out of the snow (away from Kylo). Is this a nod to the Arthurian legend where it shows she is the true heir of The King/Luke?

    8. Colin Trevorrow said Rey's parentage will be profoundly satisfying. Is this evidence that she will end up being Luke's daughter?

    9. Lucas' quotes suggest it could happen:

    Question: Will Luke Skywalker ever get married ?
    Lucas: Not in the next three, since is not born (laugh)
    Question: In the final trilogy ?
    Lucas: Humm, I don't know.....I'm not sure which kind of characters will be in the sequels. Nothing definitive. We'll have to wait and see.


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    Lucas: Hopefully, I will someday be doing the next three Star Wars, but I'm not sure when. The next three would take place 20 or 30 years before the films they're celebrating here today. I'll do the first trilogy first. There are nine [films] floating around there somewhere. I'll guarantee that the first three are pretty much organized in my head, but the other three are kind of out there somewhere.

    Starlog: Why didn't you give Luke a girl?

    Lucas: You haven't seen the last three yet.



    Lucas also asked JJ "What happens to Vader's grandkids?


    Evidence against:

    1. Rey believes Luke Skywalker to be a myth. Surely a girl who from the age of 5 had the mind to mark down every day her parents were away, would remember her fathers name?

    2. Rey says that "her family will be back" suggesting her entire family left her on Jakku. In the Art of TFA there is the concpt art of the family ship we see leave Rey in the vision. Next to it is two adults and child. This to me suggests that both Rey's parents were with her on Jakku at some point. So she should know her father. But more importantly, it shows her father abandoned her as well. Is this something that Luke Skywalker would do? All the pre-gumph above aside and whatever the circumstances, would Luke abandon is daughter?

    3. It's too obvious and too similar to the reveal of TESB. Do we really want another Skywalker I am your father moment?

    4. Jedi's aren't supposed to marry and have kids. Does anything suggest this will be different for Luke?

    5. Would Luke have firstly risked having a family of his own - knowing the danger they might be put in being related to him? Would he have thought it a good idea to devote time to raising a family when he has a Jedi Order to build?

    6. Surely other people, such as Han & Leia, would know that Luke had a daughter? Yet no one suggests that this extraordinary orphan girl is Luke's daughter? No one indicates that they sense she is Luke's daughter. When Kylo looks into her mind, would he not perhaps have seen her images of her parents?

    7. Would there be a conflict of interests if Luke was Rey's father in terms of her training to be a Jedi? Would it sit right that Luke trains his own daughter to send her into battle with evil Forces that could destroy her or turn her evil? Would a father ever risk that?

    8. Maz's conversation with Rey:

    REY: I have to get back to Jakku.

    MAZ: Han told me.

    (reaches out, hold Rey's hand)

    Dear child. I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back. But... there's someone who still could.

    REY: Luke.

    MAZ: The belonging you seek is not behind

    Maz is clearly telling us here that Rey wants her FAMILY to come back to Jakku but KNOWS that they aren't. Maz is essentially saying - You know they're dead or something. And then saying Rey can find her place with Luke, it is clear that Maz has looked into Rey's eyes and seen the truth of the matter. Rey's parents are gone. This is about her finding the Jedi Master Luke and him being her teacher. If this isn't the case then Maz is a fool.

    9. When Rey sees Luke for the first time, there is no recognition of father and daughter. Rey continues to extend the lightsaber rather than showing shock at realising Luke is her daddy. And Luke is fixated on the saber. Surely this would play out differently if they had been forcefully separated and didn't know they existed? Surely Rey would react more strongly?

    10. If Rey is a Skywalker then it will appear only the Skywalker's can be the heroes. Rey being a nobody allows for her to be someone everyone can relate to.
     
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    What if Luke adopted her out as a baby to protect her?
    She would have no reason to recognize him, Anakin couldn't even tell Padme was carrying twins and I would've thought someone so strong with the force would be able to pick up a couple of heartbeats in his wife's belly.
    I wanted to believe Luke would have offspring before a sequel trilogy was get go but something's too convenient and expected Rey being his daughter.
    I don't know , I'm tired , goodnight
     
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    thanks for summing up the "evidence". there are a lot of other visual and subtextual cues in the film that could be added to this as well.
    but i feel like i've hashed through everything i can hash through on Rey's parentage.

    so i just voted no because:
    1. it doesn't make coherent story sense to me with what we're presented in TFA; and
    2. because i don't want it to be the case. hahaha
    so yeah, i admit my bias. but no one has given me a compelling reason why her being Luke's kid would make this story better or how the reveal of such could be anything other than an eyeroll.

    seriously, to be perfectly honest, i mighta actually rolled my eyes in the theatre first watching TFA when Snoke revealed Han Solo was Kylo Ren's father.
    and yes, it did work out just fine (well ~ not for Han), but one grandkid is more than enough for me.
     
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    Why nobody think about Luke as Rey's godfather?

    He raise her as his own daughter, although not biological and he would allow her to use his skywalker surname someday along with Finn, in case he's a force sensitive.

    Rey could be related to Anakin, not that I mean anything about reincarnation. But I don't believe that 'the chosen one' has to be about one person.

    What about Harry Potter and Neville Longbottom's faiths, they're both destined to be the chosen one, but Voldemort chose Harry instead of Neville.

    Quigon found Anakin on Tatooine and bring him to Corrussant. That's mean Quigon was responsible for Anakin faith as the chosen one.

    There might be another or more children of the force who could become the chosen one and Rey could be an offspring of them.

    Anyway, I still love to see the Father-daughter relationship, the Skywalkers fight side by side, that's awesome to watch.
     
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    From the opening scenes there's a strong symetry between Kylo and Rey. One coming from the resistance and has a path to the empire and the other living in the empire's wreck going to the resistance. Just like yin and yang.

    Coincidence I think not.

    The sentence of Snoke : There has been an awakening seems to intend that it is recent.

    It isn't a surprise that I voted no :p
     
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    There's the only one 'Profoundly satisfying' Rey's origin and we all know it.
     
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    I'd call that profoundly obvious rather than satisfying. And I mean that in the negative sense!
     
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    according to the poll as it currently stands only 50% knows it.
     
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    I'd call that both.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 17, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 17, 2016 ---
    What else then? Kenobi? Profoundly unsatisfying. Dark side origin with sith parents? Profoundly unsatisfying. Random rebel/resistance dudes? Profoundly unsatisfying. Bounty hunters parents? Profoundly unsatisfying. Conceived by medichlorians? Profoundly unsatisfying. Reincarnation of anyone we know from the past? Profoundly unsatisfying. What other options do we have?
     
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    I personally find that whole Maz conversation to be the deal breaker for me. Maz is force sensitive. She can see a lot through people's eyes. From Rey she determines that her family is never coming back and that deep down Rey knows this. But and the "but" is the important bit, she can find belonging with Luke.

    Maz utterly separates Luke from Rey's parents. It makes it clear there and then to me that Rey's parents are more a dramatic device in Rey's story to create conflict and to be a hurdle for Rey to move passed.

    In my view her parents are likely dead but her destiny is to find Luke and train to be a Jedi. Then she will find her place in the Galaxy.
     
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    to you, maybe.

    different strokes, eh?
    that's all i'm saying. there clearly isn't just one answer that would satisfy everybody or else there wouldn't even be this discussion.
     
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    You are talking for everybody or only for yourself ?
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    Maybe he thinks Tremorrow was talking to him.
     
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    agreed. the scene feels profoundly (to use that word) misdirecting otherwise to me.
     
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    What is a 'Profoundly satisfying' origin to you?
     
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    This is satisfying because she'll take the name of her paternal figure and people will he happy to have a Rey Skywalker ...
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    This up on the vote to anyone.

    It's clear to have a jedi to abandon his child after breaking the jedi code even if he knew his own father destroyed the jedi order because of that and this jedi building an academy by breaking the rules isn't that satisfying for everybody.

    You have one vote so does everybody.
     
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    I just named the list of possible origins, and none of them is even close to being a satisfying one. And I asked if there were any other possibilities. Are there?
     
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    I love @FN-3263827's idea that Rey's parents are from the Empire in some way compared to Kylo's parents being the heroes of the rebellion.
     
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    That's what the opening scenes of the movie showed.
     
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    Shall I do the aesthetic circle one again? And then you contest it. We can copy past out 20 pages of text to this thread. haha:p
     
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    not satisfying to you. other people disagree obviously.

    i don't actually care what Rey's origins are because i don't think they should matter to the story (it's the past, move forward). if i don't want her to be a Skywalker specifically it's because i'd rather the movie surprise us.

    hahaha ~ right???

    i'm gonna do the lazy cop-out and say no. i already feel like i have spent way too much energy on Rey's parents when it's probably the least interesting thing to me in the whole of TFA.
     
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