The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I (Via JediPaxis)

If I had to guess, I don't think those "tanks" will be explained (further elebarobated in the Art Of book) they'll just be there, sorta like the bacta tank in Empire. It's never actually said in Empire that "put Luke in the bacta tank!"

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Honestly, none of the footage that has come out so far has been awful compared to the leaks. So as I have stated before, I think JP just wrote it poorly. So who the Blast knows, because I cringe at the leaks, but the footage tells another story.

 

A strange idea i had the other day. One of the issues people had with the last jedi, which i love more now than I did before, was the shock of what happened to luke.

I raise this issue, because what if some of these leaks are intentional. They are intended to get the audience ready for something to happen, so they walk into a film with a different frame of mind. Just an idea.

Also easier to surprise people if you set up expectations yourself, via leaks, and then change something subtle. I think for the most part the leaks are correct, just an idea.

 

So, my gf and I watched the latest RoS trailer (the 1:30 one with extended shots) earlier today, and she remarked on something interesting. You know that "hovering black box shape" that Kylo approaches before going down to find Palpatine? So, could that "box" thing be the bridge (or similar structure) of a submerged & frozen over Star Destroyer? Perhaps even the one that rises out of the ice in another shot? Thoughts?

 

I don't think so. Watch the episode of Rebels where they go to Malachor. There is a sith temple of some kind where Ashoka fights Vader. What you see is similar to that. My guess is this is a sith temple.

 

One part of the leaks that I really hope is not true is that how Palpatine survived his apparent death is not addressed. I can’t imagine a plot point so important would just be ignored. They wouldn’t do that, would they?

 

Of course, they will.

 

I always assumed (because I never NEVER read the books or comic books or else, I stick to the movies, period)... that Palpatine himself was a vessel for something even bigger and more sinister. There were a couple of hints in the prequels (the story of Darth Plagueis and immortality, how Sith finds eternal life by hanging up to tangible things while Jedi become one with the Force, how Palpy gets disfigured...or reveals his true nature in ROTS). How did he survive ROTJ? Personally, I don't care. I hope thought, that we will learn a little more on the Sith. There are a lot of things left unexplained yet (in the movies) in that department. The last trailer made it pretty clear: Palpatine was behind Kylo's call from the darkside from the beginning and Snoke was his puppet. The Darkside of the Force is the pathway to many abilities some...consider....unnatural... Even for the viewers

 

Definitely The films all look and sound good. Where I myself deviate (and of course I can only speak for myself) is on whether or not I like the story itself. I truly enjoyed TFA and I REALLY hope the leaks simply don't do this film justice. It is possible that the descriptions are making it sounds worse than it is. I mean I saw someone online talk about how in the EU Chewie dies when a moon falls on him. God that sounds stupid. However, it wasn't quite like that. Actually it was far different than that. So how one writes it up can be VERY different than the film.

I really hope this film nails the landing and doesn't pull a GOT season 8. But I dont' want to open that can o worms so...

 

How Palpatine survived isn't in any way important to TRoS' story because it doesn't have any bearing on his pursuit of/interest in Kylo and Rey.

His story will likely be told, but not in the film.

 

Well, sorry to disagree, but it absolutely does.
Because if he was dead, there would be no pursuit/interest in Kylo and Rey.
And last time we saw him, he was thrown down a huge shaft within an exploding space station in outer space.
Ewoks danced. Fireworks were lit. Yubs were Nubbed. Galaxy rejoiced.

If he literally survived that, it needs addressing - a) because, like, just how? and b) because it was kind of a big deal that he had died in the first place. As in, happy ending to the whole saga important.

If he is merely there as some kind of spirit or enduring evil presence in a more abstract sense, then cool, I think most people would agree that can be left unexplained to a far greater degree.

 

Just my two cents... The problem with all of this is heightened by the Prequels and the difference between them and the original trilogy. In the OT the style of story telling was minimalistic, giving us just enough information as needed to further the story. That seems to be the style they've tried to emulate in the ST, especially JJ. The problem is that you have the prequel trilogy, which did a ton of world building. Some might say too much world building, although I would disagree myself.

My problem with this is that you can never go home again. What I mean by that is while I love the OT, the PT makes it impossible to go back to the old style of story telling we got with the OT. I don't think they should have gone full PT heavy world building, but they do need to give some sort of quick explanation and stop saying "well, go buy this comic (or this set of comics) or go buy that novel." There should be a happy medium.

On a slightly separate topic, I seem to remember someone saying (I don't know where, it might have been one of my students or it might be here) that apparently they are gonna say the darkness Luke saw in Kylo was not him actually seeing Kylo's mind, but him seeing Palpatine via the link he'd set up with Kylo. If that is the case, that bit of retconning or whatever you want to say it is helps me a bit. I still don't like the whole thing about Luke hiding out on the island to die and would have preferred the idea that he was there studying more and waiting for the right time to get into the fight or whatever, but this is okay with me.

Either way, in a week we will have our answers, good or bad. Here's to hoping this film is good.

 

I agree it needs addressing, but the answer is perhaps already contained within the films. The prequels, see the other post above, gave a lot of detail, and also a lot of questions. 1) how did Palpatine, grow up force sensitive on Naboo and not get seen by the Jedi, this is not Tatooine, which the film explains by being on the outer rim. Naboo is not Tatooine. This question, and the question of how he survived may have the same answer. It will upset some, because it would seem to diminish the sacrifice of Vader, but I don't think it does. Vader gives his life to save his son. The answer is cloning. It would require very little explanation in the film other than one line. The old man we see on Exogol is the original Sidius. There likely have been others and he likely is very, very old.

 

Return of the Jedi's ending leads us as an audience to believe that Palpatine died after Anakin returned to the Light Side.

The Rise of Skywalker, by using the character, reveals that this belief was wrong.

The 'how' behind that reveal isn't important to TRoS.

It wasn't necessary for RotJ to explain the 'how' behind the creation of the Second Death Star or its role in Palpatine's plans to lay a trap for the Rebellion because such details were irrelevant to RotJ's story, and the same is true with TRoS.

 

One internet thing I'm growing really tired of is the outrage to out of context leaks. This happened with Game of Thrones. It happened with Endgame. It's happening with this film. The internet is full of outraged babies who say everything sucks. I'll probably log off once the leaks are confirmed because the outrage factory on YouTube is going to hate on this film even if it's the next Citizen Kane. You can't spend 2 years bitching about every single thing about this trilogy and then say "Oh, I like it."

I suspect JJ will deliver a film most people like and a group really hates. It's not much of a prediction.

 

The Game of Thrones leaks weren't 'out of context', and people reacted to them as overwhelmingly negatively as they did because of how much they were a betrayal of several characters, most notably Dany, and everything that David and Dan had spent 7+ seasons establishing.

So there really isn't much equivalency between how people have reacted to the TRoS leaks and how people reacted to the Game of Thrones leaks.

 

Well Blast me. I didn't think they would actually do it.

https://soranews24.com/2019/12/14/j...-live-action-appearance-in-rise-of-skywalker/

P.K.: Who’s your favorite Star Wars character, whether from your time as a fan or as a director?

"Abrams: It’s Han Solo.

P.K.: That was quick!

Abrams: Everybody loves Han, right? I mean, his first appearance in Episode 4 is just the best…He’s a nihilistic, shy, unique, rash scoundrel, but he also has a strong sense of justice.

By the way, who’s your favorite character?

P.K.: Me? Ahsoka Tano. Sorry for picking someone who only appears in the animated stuff [Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels], but I really like her positive, determined personality.

Abrams: Hmmm, Ahsoka, huh? Well then you’ll probably want to watch closely during The Rise of Skywalker.






P.K.: Wh-whoa-wait-whaaaaaaaaaat?

Abrams: Hahaha, well, enjoy the movie!

 

I wouldn't expect more than a Rogue One-style cameo, if I were you, based on the wording and tone of that comment.

 

You might want to use another example.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean by “how”, but the construction of the Death Star and how the plan fell into Rebel hands was explained.

You can’t just have Palpatine come back to life without explaining how. Not least because we won’t know if he can be or is actually killed again.

This whole story is about how Palpatine has manipulated Ben from behind the scenes, resurrected the Empire and sought to take over the galaxy again. Surviving being killed by the chosen one, who supposedly brought balance, and cheating inevitable death can’t just be cast aside.

 

I think it highly likely that they will not address palpatines return. however, I do think if you listen to his plaguis speech in ROTS about immortality, fear of losing power, the abilities to save life/create life...tied in with the fact he commissioned a clone army...and possibly created Anakin, it sounds like this crazy scheming sith would have a few immortality back up plans. I think based on the leaks I have read, that visually it may be so obvious how he survived that it may not need to be addressed like 'Haha yes jedi! I have survived by cloning myself!' or like... 'Haha jedi, I have learned your art of joining the force and bent it to my will! Now I am a ghost too!'... there are many powers the dark side has that Sidious himself alludes to in the prequels, so many in fact that it seems likely that he would have spent some of his many years as emperor planning how to live forever. the hidden armada under the ice seems to suggest this visually without need of exposition, so already I feel the film is giving us some answers, just not in the form of dialog exposition.

 

“Ah ha! I’m back Jedi! I survived being...*sucks in breath*...chucked down a reactor shaft, that consumed me in a ball of energy before blowing up with the entire Death Star in outer space and everyone celebrating because balance had been restored to the force! *panting hard*”

I’m sorry, but seeing some clones (which in itself is confusing because how did he transfer his consciousness to them and Sith aren’t supposed to be able to live on spiritually and why not create a million force sensitive clones to wipe everyone out?) doesn’t go anywhere near explaining his presence on screen nor what the plan has been all along (from Snoke to turning Ben to who Rey is and his plans for her). Without a good explanation for all this, it’s a tacked on mess, a blunt deus ex machina that won’t satisfy a huge majority of the audience.

And again - if we don’t know how he survived certain death, how do we know for sure that he is killed at the end of this film? The explanation needs to be explicit. Sure, show don’t tel is a good rule but in regards to this, I think people will enjoy a good old yarn from Sheev...