Battle in the Throne Room

Because Kylo killed the previous leader. It doesn't matter whether he becomes the new leader or not, he still is Snoke's murderer and thus an enemy.

There was no time for talking. Furthermore these guards are probably brain- or/and soulless. They were trained by Snoke to obey him and just him.

Maybe because Snoke was cocky. Apparently the guards' first priority was to protect Snoke from Kylo and Kylo was already afraid of these guards. So no guns needed.

 

he's definitely afraid of them; they outnumber him no matter how many weapons or what kind they have, and he's been conditioned to fear and obey Snoke.

this is the whole point of that moment when he rises in defiance and Snoke zaps him to the ground. his first reaction is to look at the guards: see what they are doing/planning to do. he knows it's not going to come from Snoke. Snoke may incapacitate him, but the guards are there to deal out the real beatings.

 

I wish these guards would have been introduced in TFA. I would have made the throne room scenes even better.

 

It doesn't need to be an error in editing. If people can believe that Luke's obvious missed kick from ROTJ is a "force kick" then I can believe that the guard purposely threw the second knife away so he could have a free hand, and we just couldn't see it.

 

1. And Snoke played off Kylo and Hux against each other, never revealing who was to succeed him.
2. The Guards are still protecting Snoke: they want to neutralize the major threat to his body first before checking his vitals.
3. Besides the guns would have been useless against two lightsabre wielding enemies.

 

If guns aren't useless against a highly trained Jedi Master...

... then I don't think guns would have been useless against Kylo and especially Rey (who never defended herself against blasters).

But as mentioned before the guards were already dangerous enough for them.

 

Whether or not you like The Last Jedi I'm not sure how anyone can complain about that throne room scene. It's almost like people want to hate everything.

 

I have mixed feelings. It's well made - choreography was great, music was great and it's visually stunning. But every time I see it - I just see two random guys fighting with lightsabers. Kylo - who can stop blaster bolts and freeze people with force - struggles and is nearly choked to death by some non-force sensitive guards. It's not consistent with his image created earlier. Kylo in this fight looks just like an ordinary non-force sensitive man skilled to some degree in fencing, he's definately NOT someone strong in the Force. He's only slightly better than this Jedi kid killed by clones in front of Bail Organa.

I don't blame Rey, because she never had any real training. But Kylo's performance was disappointing.

 

Kylo can't use any force skills because the guards have force armor, furthermore these guards are most feared in the FO, mainly because they are so powerful/skilled.

 

Must've blinked and sneezed and missed that bit on my two viewings - thanks.

 

This was only mentioned in the Visual Dictionary. Casual viewers usually don't care about this stuff. But it's still canon. Like it or hate it. I don't care.

 

LOL what now? "Force armor"? Can you provide a source?

 

Or, simply put, fencing looks way cooler without Force shenanigans.

 

Yeah, I feel much the same as you. I don't really care either. Force armour seems a reasonable method of protecting oneself from the Force. Everybody should get a little suit like that.

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Nope, Force proof attire is the reason, actually.

 

Force Armor was the wrong term but here you go:

This stuff is probably quite expensive to make.

 

Thanks for posting that - hadn't heard of/seen it before.

EDIT: There isn't actually a mention of the suits being Force resistant although they can deflect Light Saber glances - have I missed something?

 

It also says they are painful to wear and heavy. So very unlikely that anyone but the best of the best and most loyal could handle them.

 

But I still don't see anything about it being "force-proof". It says it can deflect blaster shots and sometimes even a lightsaber, but it doesn't say the wearer can't be pushed back by force etc. Or that Kylo couldn't disarm them like Vader liked to disarm rebel soldiers - by pulling weapons from their hands.

I don't know why Rian decided against using the Force during that duel, possibly because, like someone wrote he decided it'll look "more cool" that way. I don't share that opinion. What's the point of having sweet badass force powers if you don't use them in a fight where you're outnumbered? Kylo didn't hestitate to use them against Poe when they first met - when he was with his troopers and Poe was just a one guy with a rifle. Now he's facing 8 "elite" guards with just an untrained girl at his side. And all he does is swing his lightsaber and kick. No force grabbing, no throwing both them or something at them, nothing. It maybe looks good to some, but it's a bit stupid nonetheless.

 

Well, at the end of the day it still only took two combatants to dispose of those guards so perhaps the thinking was to demonstrate purely the fighting capabilities of Ren and Rey. I see where you're coming from, of course, but this is one element of TLJ that, personally, I'm not too fussed about.

I guess that, as these guards are Snoke's personal ones, we have to accept to that they are pretty formidable opponents so beating them was no small feat. But then, yeah, using the Force would have made it that much easier.

Moving on .....